topic Re: wells fargo pre approved then denied by underwriter 5 months old kid nowhere to go in Mortgage Loans

wells fargo pre approved then denied by underwriter 5 months old kid nowhere to go

mute9003 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:58:11 GMT

i made the title a bit dramatic

we thought that the process was almost complete (first time buyers)

so we assumed that everything gonna be done by the 1st of next month and we moved out of our rental house and put everything in a storage

now we are staying at my wifes sister house expecting to have our house in 2 weeks

today the wells fargo mortgage consultant told us that underwriter denied out loan

the situation:

we have a 5 month old kid and no space to set up a crib so he is growing out of the lil basket he slept in

my wife has savings and enough to put a 20% downpayment on a 250k loan and good credit over 750

i have no savings and very good credit also over 750 i was unemployed for last year and a half so i had no proof of income.

she had to get a loan with her sister that just bought a house in cash and paid it off

i have no savings because i wasnt planning to buy a house now and she just suddenly decided she wants a house so i wasnt really prepared.

as much as i want her to learn from this mistake i rather get this over with.

the consultant said its ok and that we shouldnt have a problem to get approved.

now the underwriter said that my wife doesnt make enough money and her sister doesnt live with her...

it seems like he is wasting our time

she already paid the earnest money and independent inspection and the inspection by the bank.

i dont really know what we can do in this situation since we are in a hurry to move in a house.

Re: wells fargo pre approved then denied by underwriter 5 months old kid nowhere to go

StartingOver10 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:45:41 GMT

Sometimes you can overcome some of these obstacles with a different type of loan. Although many people use FHA because the downpayment is low, there are other underwriting benefits to an FHA loan. One of the main benefits of an FHA loan is that you can have a non-occupant co-borrower AND the loan is assumable with qualifying. Although you have 20% to put down, it seems like your wife needs someone else on the loan to boost her income to qualify for the loan. This way you can close with the FHA loan and when your wife's income is large enough to support the house on her own or with you, then you both can 'assume' the existing loan. Talk to your LO about changing the type of loan for which you are applying. Also, it would be a good idea to make application with a mortgage broker/mortgage banker rather than Wells Fargo. You have a much better chance of getting your loan completed.

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Chbraswell — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:34:42 GMT

I am in a similar situation sans the child. I was preapproved by wells and it all looked good, then whamed! denied. The u/w didnt feel comfortable approving the loan. So now i am with two different brokers who are looking at it. I'll miss my original closing date. But hoping it will be completed by the 2nd week of October. I would say try a broker as they may have less overlays than big banks have.

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indecison — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 15:36:20 GMT

Agree with the others. I would ditch Wells and look for a broker/banker and go FHA.

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bakerzduzin — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:07:42 GMT

From personal experience dealing with Wells Fargo right now, listen to them and ditch them and use a broker. They'll be straight up if you find a good one. From experience and from reading on here, Wells Fargo LO's are just a bunch of application takers now and the only one in the office that even touches paperwork is the processor that just gathers it and hands it to underwriting. Their the ones that basically do everything!

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webhopper — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 04:13:22 GMT

Yep... definately ditch wells... go with a broker on an Fha loan

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settleordelete — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:41:04 GMT

In my opinion, unless you have big bank experience like a previous home loan or a super high line of credit with the them then you should always go with a mortgage broker and then decide rather or not to go fha. Another big no no is having the debt to income ratio out of there lending parameters. Income means money you make. Do you make enough to pay for what you qualify for? Some people get pre-qualified for more than they can actually afford... without even thiking about the taxes, FEES,interest and did I say fees. Goodluck to yall.

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chasmith — Sun, 23 Sep 2012 14:55:16 GMT

You don't say specifically, but do you have a contract on a house? I wonder if you were "pre-qualified" or "pre-approved", there's a difference.

Do you have a Buyer's Broker? I would talk about this with your Buyer's Broker, or if not with the seller's realtor for recommendations for a mortgage broker.

Re: wells fargo pre approved then denied by underwriter 5 months old kid nowhere to go

mute9003 — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:08:37 GMT

If we go with a broker how can she get the money back because she already paid close to 7k for the inspecrions and earnest money

And also the bank appraised the house 2000 dollars less than owners asking price.
Ive been renting since 2005 and have a good history
Mortgage is gonna be 1200 a month same as we paid for our rental house for a year.
Plus she took a 4 month break from worh due to prefnancy and her income ia gonna be even lower this year.

Re: wells fargo pre approved then denied by underwriter 5 months old kid nowhere to go

chasmith — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:28:11 GMT

mute9003 wrote:
If we go with a broker how can she get the money back because she already paid close to 7k for the inspecrions and earnest money

And also the bank appraised the house 2000 dollars less than owners asking price.
Ive been renting since 2005 and have a good history
Mortgage is gonna be 1200 a month same as we paid for our rental house for a year.
Plus she took a 4 month break from worh due to prefnancy and her income ia gonna be even lower this year.

Earnest Money is paid to the Realtor / Real Estate Broker and held in escrow. So using a different Mortgage Broker shouldn't affect that.

Inspections by licensed inspectors should be reusable.

If the appraisal is lower you have to find another $2000.00 for your downpayment or renegotiate the sale. Typically a seller would reduce their price. The other thing is you probably can't "reuse" an appraisal, a new lender will order a new appraisal.

Any money paid to Wells Fargo based on their representation of "pre-approval" should be refunded.

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Timberowl — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 21:05:29 GMT

I'm experiencing something similar. I was pre approved through USAA for 165k, got a contract on a house for 152k, then USAA's automatic underwriting process immediately denied me.
I went to Wells Fargo afterwards at the recommendation of my buyers agent. That was back in early/mid November. I sent her everything she said she needed. She was impossible to get ahold of. In late November she needed disclosures signed and said I had to get them to her immediately, so I printed them out and overnighted them to her. Then impossible to contact for THREE WEEKs. The original closing date came and went. After receiving the disclosures shed told me "I don't think you're going to have any problems at all--just relax okay?"
Last Wednesday I suddenly get a call in the middle of sleeping (i work nights) after 3 weeks of unreturned phone calls and emails, it's my LO and her boss saying the underwriters don't like my file (VA loan and I have hardly anything in savings--all my money goes towards debt so I can help my credit--I overpay). They wanted me to write statements explaining my excessive inquiries and lack of savings. They said to be on "pins and needles" for the next 48 hours while they "rallied" to save my loan. Now, four days later, it's Christmas Eve and they're out of the office and still not a peep about my file. I'm supposed to close in 6 days.

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chasmith — Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:23:51 GMT

Pre-approval means approved subject only to the appraisal of the property. Are you sure these were pre-approvals (there should have been a commitment letter) and not pre-qualifies, which can be as simple as your breath fogs a mirror and your score seems ok.

Usually a contract for sale has a financing condition and a time limit by which time a commitment letter must be provided. If the time has passed for that financing contingency or the contingency was removed the seller might try to keep the earnest money. If the bank gave a commitment and reneged there may be damages against the bank.