05-22-2012 04:59 PM
Your lawer probably told you that "it doesn't make sense to pay the bills" when you're about to file, or that "the courts frown on people paying bills immediately before filing and may throw out our BK if you pay them". But that's beside the point. Yes, the lates will show until your filing date, with a KD on your discharge date.
However, if they are reported as IIB, those lates won't matter much, if at all.
If you included the paid off cards in your BK, then they were included in the BK and are IIB/Derog. If you didn't include them, the creditor most likely closed the account on their end (Account Closed by Credit Grantor), which is also a derog.
Also, if you didn't list "paid off" revolving accounts as creditors in your BK, you may have inadvertantly committed bankruptcy fraud*. I'm pretty sure that the law says you have to list "all creditors", not just the ones you owe money to. I'll check with an attorney friend, though I'm also pretty sure that if you used an attorney, he/she wouldn't have let you commit BK fraud.
The simple version is, anything before your BK (and included in the BK) doesn't matter much once the BK is there. Positive accounts that were closed prior to the BK will help you, but only a little. what REALLY matters is the date of your BK and everything that comes after it.
*I checked with my friend, it's against the law, but there doesn't seem to be a punishment for it unless you paid some creditors immediately before BK. Basically, you don't get to choose who gets your last $'s before you file.
I can't remember the exact wording my lawyer used (it was over three years ago), that was just the jist of it.
We did list it on the bankruptcy, but I didn't think we included it (does that make sense?). I may be wrong though, all I know is that is why we hired a lawyer so it would be done correctly, I am a rule follower to a T. I had two CC's that I had paid off a few months before we decided to file (we had not been planning on filing at that point), and we definitely listed them to show that we weren't just running up CC's in plans to file BK. I had been hoping that my two paid off accounts would stay open to be a positive on my credit report, but of course the creditors closed them shortly after filing. One account actually shows up as a non derog and one shows up as a derog. So I thought maybe the derog one was reported incorrectly.
Thanks so much for the info!
05-28-2012 04:30 AM
This is a GREAT Read and one that every person on the board looking to rebuild post BK should follow. While YMMV depending on some of the creditors listed to get(especially if you BK'd them), this is still a great blueprint. I am at 6 months post discharge, and have a few misteps, but will be resetting my habits and my timeline from now forward thanks to this board and the resources on here.
05-28-2012 09:09 AM
05-28-2012 09:14 AM
05-28-2012 09:50 AM
Thanks SoulMaster for the update!
06-04-2012 10:48 PM
06-05-2012 11:37 AM
I'm not saying it's necessarily a derog that will impact your score... however "Account Closed by Credit Grantor" raises questions during underwriting. Specifically: "Why did the bank choose to close this?"
It's probably neutral impact if it was PIF and has zero lates. But when there are one or more lates and or it's not PIF, that can be a trickey question to answer and may impact anything you apply for and/or your actual score. (We all know there are a dozen FICO formulas, the ACBCG status code wouldn't be there if it didn't do something; it would simply be "Account Closed".)
06-10-2012 08:36 AM
Wish I would have read this a week ago . I will be discharged shortly from a chp 13 so I am just now starting the rebuilding process. I will implement some of the strategies you've listed for myself. I received a pre-approved offer from Credit One Bank for a $400 limit. I haven't recieved the card yet but after reading around here I'm wondering if I should cancel it? The reason I ask is because I am getting a secured card from a CU with a limit of $1500 to $2000 (not yet decided) in a week or so. Will that look not so good to have a much higher limit for one major CC than the other? I mean is there a FICO penalty for that? The CU reports to all 3 CRA's, doesn't report as secured and they don't require a credit check so that fit like a glove for me. No HP to knock my scores down.
Secondly I recieved a credit card from WFNNB (the avenue) for $150 as well and it was a soft pull on EQ. I actually just signed up on the website for a catalog, put a few items in my shopping cart that totalled about $40 and the next thing I knew a pre-approved offer showed up so I took it.
As for the strategy that you have laid out, well I IIB Capital One and Household so I don't think they will be too happy to see me coming. So I will have to alter my strategy a bit and find another source. I think that Barclays would be a good choice a year from now so I shall see.
In the meantime I will get to working on my reports because I have a few baddies that are reporting incorrectly. Personally my goal is removal of the TL and not correction, but if I can't get removal then ultimately they need to report right. The thing is most of the baddies are set to be removed no later than March of 2013 . Considering that I have been in a chp 13 for 63 months now, March doesn't seem like that long at all for me. It's amazing how much patience I have acquired over the last 5 years
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