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santander auto loan reaffirmation?

I'm in the process of filing for Chapter 7. The only decision left is whether I decide to reaffirm on my car loan with Santander.

 

I currently owe $5800.00 still on a 2008 Kia Spectra which was financed back in March,2010 @20.9% interest. My last payment would be March 2014. The car is in pretty good condition except for the high mileage. When I bought the car used in 2010, it already had 35,000 miles. It now has 104,000 miles due to my job which requires daily driving all over a large metropolitan area and on the freeway. I know it would be better to walk away from the car but I'm worried that I won't be able to come up with a down payment in time to buy another car. I need to have a car every day and would have to rent a car until I could buy another one.

 

I'm not behind on the payment.  Until the BK is finalized, the only money I would be able to save is what I'm paying now for my car payment monthly. My payment is $365.00 a month. Even after the BK  is final, I won't have extra money since the BK is on old debts. I'm  busy paying the state and the IRS to avoid tax liens.

 

How is Santander to work with when trying to reaffirm on a current car loan?


Starting 5/2012: Fico 582, Fako (Credit Karma) 554
Filed BK7 12/15/2012,
/19/2013 Fico 659, Transunion 651
5/242013 Fico 659 Transunion 685 Experian 668
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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

Are you working with an attorney, and what is his or her advice?  You aren't specific about what the car is worth, or what you think you would have to pay to replace it.  I'm assuming it isn't worth more than you owe, but you'd have trouble getting a comparable car financed.

 

While the lender may try to tell you you "must" reaffirm to keep the car, that depends on your BK Court and State's rules.  Some lenders make simply filing an act of default in their contracts and use that to force you to reaffirm instead of doing a "drive through". 

 

My attorney was adamantly against reaffirming because essentially you give the lender something with no consideration in return.  No lender is going to cut the interest rate or make other changes in your favor as a consideration for you to reaffirm.  There's no reason for Santander not to reaffirm at your current terms as if they get the car back they won't recover what you owe.

 

It seems to me you may be able to get the collateral value separated from the unsecured excess (what the lender will get after repo vs. The current note amount), called a "cramdown".  But that's an attorney question and may only be in a Chapter 11.

 

Here's what I'd consider:

 

1. Do a drive-through if possible.  You won't be legally obligated on the debt but the lender can take the collateral if you default.  They will NOT report your payments to a credit bureau unless you reaffirm (and might not even then).  You can walk away and give back the car any time you're ready to get a new one.

2. Look into a cramdown and use that to negotiate

3. Reaffirm.  You'll have the car payment for 18 months but sometimes the devil you know is better.  You know the car's maintenance history and reliability, you need a car for work, and I doubt you'll get another car as good for a lower payment any time soon.

 

BK7 Filed 8/11/2009 Discharged 11/23/2009. Purchased new home 4/11/2012
Starting Score:11/16/2009 EQ 566 11/16/2009 TU 538
Interim Score: 12/27/2012 EQ 683 09/17/2012 EX (lender) 670 1/01/2013 TU 701
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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

Thank you for replying.

 

 

My attorney told me that I can either reaffirm or walk away and get another car post bankruptcy. He said that it would also depend on Santander and how willing they are to reafirm. he also said that we may be able to get them to lower the interest rate, but it was a "Maybe". I'm concerned though how much money I would need to put down post BK. right now I don't have any savings right now due to paying the IRS and the State on back taxes.I make pretty good money at 65K a year and will be able to afford a payment up to $450 a month.

 

 

According to Kelly Blue Book, it's worth $5500 to sell outright due to the high mileage and some small door dings/paint chips. Trade in value is $3800. I owe $5800 as of this month. So far, it's been very reliable. I have only needed to change the timing belt ( it was past 97,000 miles), replace the tires, and the usual maintenance oil changes and brakes. I'm afraid that it may soon start breaking down due to the high mileage.  And it's a KIA which doesn't really have a good reputation like a Toyota or Honda to not have major issues as the mileage climbs.

 

Right now I'm leaning towards keeping the car and attempting to reaffirm..


Starting 5/2012: Fico 582, Fako (Credit Karma) 554
Filed BK7 12/15/2012,
/19/2013 Fico 659, Transunion 651
5/242013 Fico 659 Transunion 685 Experian 668
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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

So it sounds like it will cost roughly the same as what you owe to replace it.  You'd be getting a similar car where you don't know the maintenance history.  If I were in your shoes I would try for a drive through, if Santandar can force you to reaffirm to keep the car then reaffirm.  I question whether they would reduce the interest rate.  You need the car for business and if you're at all like I was when I was about to file you need to reduce the stress wherever you can.

 

Hyundai and Kia have gotten a pretty solid reliability reputation from what I've heard.

BK7 Filed 8/11/2009 Discharged 11/23/2009. Purchased new home 4/11/2012
Starting Score:11/16/2009 EQ 566 11/16/2009 TU 538
Interim Score: 12/27/2012 EQ 683 09/17/2012 EX (lender) 670 1/01/2013 TU 701
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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

Hello, I have a car loan with santander and looking to file chapter 7, do they repossess, or do they allow you to make your monthly payments without any real issues from them? I would like to get a sense of how difficult they are to deal with if a reaffirmation is "not" done and payments are current. Thanks in advance.

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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

plove52996

 

 

Welcome to the forum! You will get more responses if you start your own thread as this one is a year old. I will see if a mod can move it for you.

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Re: santander auto loan reaffirmation?

So far they have been OK. I filed my BK Chapter 7 in December 2012 and it was final in April. I was laid off in March and needed to skip a car payment in May because my unemployment check was delayed for over 30 days. Santander worked with me to skip the car payment. However, they did do a Hard credit pull without telling me before agreeing to let me skip the payment.


Starting 5/2012: Fico 582, Fako (Credit Karma) 554
Filed BK7 12/15/2012,
/19/2013 Fico 659, Transunion 651
5/242013 Fico 659 Transunion 685 Experian 668
In the garden now!!
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