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Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Jam

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Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Jam

Long story short, bought out a business from the 2nd owner who ran it into the ground. Did it because the original owner was a good man & the business itself had insane potential. Unfortunately, the 2nd owner did not pay vendors, destroyed relationships with customers, and pillaged all assets into oblivion. The business was so bad that the 2nd owner did not even have the funds to declare bankruptcy. They were that shortsighted. The properties had less than 30 days before they would be seized. So I bought in, reluctantly, and eventually became the sole owner.

 

First vendor opened me up right away. They demanded 4k. I had nothing really to my name except my credit score. I had a PayPal card go to collections while I was in college because they never sent a statement and I guess things got lost in the mail. That's paid off but I didn't know about pay for delete at the time so I have another year or two before that's completely gone. Aside from that my credit was good enough that I had just enough to keep that first vendor open. I reluctantly gave them my Chase card and maxed it out for the 4k.

 

Now bringing this business back from it's absolute destruction meant that 4k was quickly disappearing. So I opened up anywhere rom 4-6 more cards. Each with a smaller limit than the previous. I also increased credit limits and eventually stopped when my last approved card was for only $500. I figured that was the end of that. So I opened up as much as I could in order to keep everything running. I was well aware that my credit was now completely shot. But yea, I was all in. I put all my cards on the table, literally.

 

Fast foward about 3 years.

 

Business is breaking records. I got this dead thing off the ground, started off crawling, now it's on its feet. It's still a bit wobbly but it's **bleep** near ready to start running. If I can take off, the skys the limit. I have things fully upgraded, profits are **bleep** good, and I reinvest everything that comes in because, like I said, the sky is the limit so long as I keep pushing.

 

Now the problem.

 

My credit is still messed up. All those credit cards I took out were personal. I didn't expect to become the owner, but now I am. Those cards need to be paid back through my own salary. I try my best to throw my salary back into the business but I'm well aware that my 0% APRs are all gone now. So I need to pay them off, which I'm doing. It will take me until the end of this year to pay it off. So I can do that. And like most things with credit, the only way to fix it is to pay and wait. So I guess there's my answer to my question coming up.

 

My business has no credit cards other than a Capital One Sparks Gold card with a limit of $500. This means I have to pay off the balance every single day. Now I use this card for small purchases and it sucks because the pending ones take days to come off. So that means my limit is almost always looming even when I pay off the balance at 110% (maximum allowed). Hell, I even make one payment on my mobile app and one on the full website so I can double down (it's a glitch that works half the time only) and it's still difficult. If I end up with a negative balance on the card it'll only hit me twice as hard a few days later when all the pending purchases build up again.

 

Now I apply for credit limits once a month with CapOne. Every single time it's denied due to High Utilization first and foremost. After that it's the collections thing I paid off about 6-7 years ago. It's the high utilization though. I'm at about 70% and yes I know. I pay it off every week with my own salary. Like I said, I know in a year this problem will be gone, but **bleep**. I could use some type of loophole or secret phone number to call. Something! I mean I spend about 2500-3k a month on this sparks card even though the limit is only $500. And that's only because I can't fit anymore purchases in that card due to the long pending orders and pending payments process. Ideally I'd like to spend 10-15k on my business credit card and get all the perks from cash back. I currently get only 1%.

 

So any secrets or tips? Besides, wait & pay? I had a lady process a manual review of my sparks card in hopes that they might approve me for an increase that way but online is futile. Im still waiting for a result from that. I plan on taking out a large bank loan at the end of the year and currently have no hard inquiries and would like to keep it that way.

 

FICO is 669 on Chase BoA PayPal Discover & Barclay.

My FACO on Vantage/CreditKarma is 620.

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

I would consider snowballing your cc debt. In the interim please list each card you have, its limit, balance, Apr, and open Date.

American express would be my first choice with the score you provided. Have you tried to have any info removed from your reports? There's always hope.

That capital one card is junk. It's reporting your business balance to your personal reports. Once you have been with Amex for a while and or pay down the debt then you could go for a revolver not just a charge card.

I would also ask for apr reductions frequently as well as increases.
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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

Thanks for the reply, I am actually attacking the highest interest rates first while always maintaining minimum payments. Ive called the higher APR cards about lowering but they always immediately say, sorry dude not my department! I ask for someone else and they say that I'll be the first to know when it lowers. Just today Paypal said that's the APR I agreed to. I replied with, I agreed to that more than 2 years ago! Never missed a payment and Im still at 28%?! Guy said I'd be the first to know when they lower it. Pretty sure he didnt even write a memo about it. Once I pay this one off this month, I'll never use it again.

 

As for AX. They declined me for a personal card back before my Credit Card opening spree almost 3 years ago. I doubt they would approve me now. CardMatch.com is pretty good about showing what cards I qualify for and its what I used for my spree. As of now, only secured cards show up even though all my hard inquiries are gone. So that seems pretty ominous to me.

 

 

Paypal 27.99% $1,300.00 $2,000.00

Bloomingdales 26.24%  $0 $1,100.00

BestBuy 26.24% $2,537.00 $5,000.00

Barclay 25.99% $805.96 $1,000.00

Discover 23.99% $576.09 $900.00

QS One      Combined it with QS in order to up the limit and get rid of the annual fee. It'll hit me on AoH but QS has lower Utilization.

BoA Rewards 20.99% $1,913.89 $2,000.00

Freedom 19.99% $5,682.00 $6,000.00

Slate 18.99% $3,316.00 $3,500.00

Quicksilver 18.90% $8,134.00 $9,300.00

BoA 9.90% $3,564.00 $4,000.00

Kays  0 $5,700  

 

Totals  

$27,828.94 used of $40,500.00   68% utilization but it's probaly closer to 66-67 now.

 

I've tried direct dispute on creditkarma on 2 missed payments from 3-4 years ago and the paid off collection account from 6-7 years ago. None of them got removed as they all met the requirements for reporting.

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

are you running your revenue through a business checking account?

If so, you need to go into that bank and sit down with a small business banker and see what they can do for you.

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

I have to wait until the 2 year mark to talk to the bank. Ive only been the legitimate on paper 100% owner for a year and some change. That's why I know the answers to my problems really all amount to waiting. I just figured I'd give it a shot in the dark to see if there's something else I could do. I know the bank told me if I sat down with their loan specialist maybe they could work something out since I'm moving a lot of revenue. The issue is the better my business does the less time I have on my hands. I cant afford to meet with this person when Im 90% sure they're going to tell me to wait until I hit the 2 year mark. My time really cant be wasted and I dont mean that in a conseited manner, it's really just not practical for me.

 

I do have access to online lenders. OnDeck/Kabbage all these guys want to give me money but their APRs are insane. This falls again to the best answer being just wait it out. With OnDeck a term loan would handle all outstanding debts and put me in position to be a contender for taking over the market, but the interest rate would put me in danger or collapsing. I dont think the risk is worth it when all I need to do is wait. I also took out these credit cards back when the 2nd owner was in charge and Im unsure I can use anything outside of my own salary to pay them off.

 

I went to lendingclub and they offered me several loans one of which was about 16% APR but I havent finalized that. I also dont want to get hit with any unecessary hard inquiries if I do decide on following through with the wait game and taking out the large business loan through a bank.

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

What bank are you using to run your revenue through?

What is the date of the filings of the business with the secretary of state?

What is the date on the EIN letter?

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

Dec 2016 for everything bank related but early November 16 everything else. TD bank.
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Shooting-For-800
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

If you are taking a salary then paying credit cards that you used for the company out of your salary, you are doing it wrong.

 

ANY expense that has ANYthing to do with the business gets paid out of the business NOT your salary.

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Anonymous
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

I know.

Problem is I took out and used those credit cards while the 2nd owner was still the owner. So that already got declared so I can’t use what is now my business to pay it. That would be double dipping according to my accountant. So basically I can sue the 2nd owner but I know they have no money. So that’s a lost cause. I gotta eat it.
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Creditaddict
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Re: Dead Business, Now Thriving But in a Business CC Jam

How much is lending club offer?

OnDeck is probably my favorite of the online business cash advance type loans and wouldn't the payment be about the same as your payment on all your credit cards if you could borrow that much all at once?

Depending, how the business is set up LLC or Inc. you should be able to either put your salary back into the business to then make the payment for a new business loan or just pay it through your personal account even though it's under the business name.

 

Even just clearing your personal debt for 2 months should skyrocket your credit score and give you the opportunity to get some very large CLI and some new REAL business cards (Cap1 reports to personal credit) you need Amex, BofA, Chase that won't be on your personal credit and then you could BT the ondeck loan to a new business credit card at a lower or 0% again and hopefully on 1 or 2 cards vs. 8

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