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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

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It's fairly easy to pick out an backdated account. You have an account backdated to 2008 but only has payment history starting at 2011. Once lender looks at the payment history they can tell whether this AMEX was backdated or not.

 

AMEX backdating is useful to artificially inflate credit score, but not so much when it comes to manual review.

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

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distantarray wrote:

he was the basic member that he got his account backdating chase underwritters or anyone wouldn't be able to flag anything unless they see obvious like 24 year history on a 18 year old's account. also if he applies online no underwrtters wi even look at it anyways


Actually trumpet has it right on this count: it is extremely easy for anyone in underwriting (or me for that matter) to pick out an Amex backdated account on a credit report.

 

Also with an online application there's a chance that no underwriter will look at it, but that is absolutely not guarunteed even in the instant approval case (there are audits of approvals and it might get reviewed there, we saw that a few weeks ago here too with some lender or another).  

 

That said though, if it's not an instant approval it's almost a foregone conclusion someone is going to look at the application and credit report data.  With the number of accounts that have been flagged for 7-10 day review by Chase in the last few months on this forum alone, I'd be rather surprised if this particular application didn't go through the same scrutiny.

 

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?


Revelate wrote:

distantarray wrote:

he was the basic member that he got his account backdating chase underwritters or anyone wouldn't be able to flag anything unless they see obvious like 24 year history on a 18 year old's account. also if he applies online no underwrtters wi even look at it anyways


Actually trumpet has it right on this count: it is extremely easy for anyone in underwriting (or me for that matter) to pick out an Amex backdated account on a credit report.

 

Also with an online application there's a chance that no underwriter will look at it, but that is absolutely not guarunteed even in the instant approval case (there are audits of approvals and it might get reviewed there, we saw that a few weeks ago here too with some lender or another).  

 

That said though, if it's not an instant approval it's almost a foregone conclusion someone is going to look at the application and credit report data.  With the number of accounts that have been flagged for 7-10 day review by Chase in the last few months on this forum alone, I'd be rather surprised if this particular application didn't go through the same scrutiny.

 

 

Is the general concensus that you need two years Minimum on average for CSP approval.

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

CSP is a premium product, with minimum CL of $5,000. Chase therefore wants better applicants.

 

Having 2 years of credit history really helps.

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?


trumpet-205 wrote:

CSP is a premium product, with minimum CL of $5,000. Chase therefore wants better applicants.

 

Having 2 years of credit history really helps.


So I guess I  would have a better shot  applying for the Chase Freedom card.

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

If you're willing to take a Freedom, I'd encourage you to get one. Apart from the sign-up bonus, I don't quite see how a CSP is better than a Freedom if you're not a traveler and big spender. 

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

Chase values a good history with them first and foremost. Having a good standing Chase Freedom will help you very much in future Chase CC applications.

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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?


Mustangfrank wrote:

Is the general concensus that you need two years Minimum on average for CSP approval.


I got in with 14 months of good history with 2 secured cards and a kays credit card total limits at the time was $3,900 personal and AAOA of under 1 year ymmv. I also got approved for the Freedom card few hours later (apped for Freedom online directly after)

 

Few things I think that helped.

 

1. I was added as an AU on my dad's Sapphire card but only 3 months old

2. I had a 758 credit score at the time of app

3. I have a checking and savings with Chase with over 50k at the time of application

4. I was an Authorized User on 4 of my parents cards (which I manage) but all with less than 14 months of AAOA

5. Chase likes people with multiple accounts apparently cause my friend's 730 credit score with 3 year AAOA and only a Discover card active (no baddies) got only approved for $500 Freedom card....

 

 


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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?

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distantarray wrote:

Mustangfrank wrote:

Is the general concensus that you need two years Minimum on average for CSP approval.


I got in with 14 months of good history with 2 secured cards and a kays credit card total limits at the time was $3,900 personal and AAOA of under 1 year ymmv. I also got approved for the Freedom card few hours later (apped for Freedom online directly after)

 

Few things I think that helped.

 

1. I was added as an AU on my dad's Sapphire card but only 3 months old

2. I had a 758 credit score at the time of app

3. I have a checking and savings with Chase with over 50k at the time of application

4. I was an Authorized User on 4 of my parents cards (which I manage) but all with less than 14 months of AAOA

5. Chase likes people with multiple accounts apparently cause my friend's 730 credit score with 3 year AAOA and only a Discover card active (no baddies) got only approved for $500 Freedom card....

 

 


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OP- I think you have a VERY good shot at instant approval. With your scores, as long as they are indeed FICO and your 10 year history with Amex 10K limit, I think you are a shoo in for instant approval.  Even if your card goes into manual review, I think you will be approved based on your Amex relationship. I say go for it.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised.  An analyst reviewing your account would take into account Amex's trust in you with a 10K limit and a NPSL card.  Just my .02 :smileyhappy:. I think the only thing that might really affect your application could be your income.  If this is pretty good (income), then I say NP.


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Re: Approvals for CSP with less than 1yr. history ?



 

 

OP- I think you have a VERY good shot at instant approval. With your scores, as long as they are indeed FICO and your 10 year history with Amex 10K limit, I think you are a shoo in for instant approval.  Even if your card goes into manual review, I think you will be approved based on your Amex relationship. I say go for it.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised.  An analyst reviewing your account would take into account Amex's trust in you with a 10K limit and a NPSL card.  Just my .02 :smileyhappy:. I think the only thing that might really affect your application could be your income.  If this is pretty good (income), then I say NP.

 

 

My income is very good so that should not be an issue.

The Amex cards have only been active for two months with the 61day 3x CLi coming up next week.

(I will apply increase my BCE from 1K to 3K with the CLi button)

The question is whether to use an HP to try and slip in for the holiday sales push.

I have 3 HP's all with Experian.

The alternative is to wait till February when I have a full year of Credit activity reporting which was always PIF.

 

 

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