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kblatt
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AMEX & Chase Application Questions

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I applied for an AMEX BCE and Chase SP cards two days ago, and got alerts on all three CRAs that I received HIs from AMEX on all three... TU, EX and EQ CRs, and HIs from Chase on my TU and EX CRs. 

 

When I spoke to them on the phone immediately after applying (got the wait message), I was told that they were using information from my TU report from both companies.

 

Is it business as usual for them to pull 2/3 or 3/3 CBs?  From what I read Amex generally pulls EQ or TU, and Chase pulls TU.  From my previous experience with Chase in April, they only pulled my TU.  Discover recently who recently issued me an 8k TL with a Discover IT card ONLY pulled my EQ.

 

Is there an issue here that I should attempt to resolve?  I was not expecting an inquiry on every single CR, and unsure why they'd do this as I've never had this happen previously when applying for TLs.  This has really killed my number of inquiries for the year, something I wasn't planning on as I've been VERY conservative in my attempts to rebuild my credit and get into the low to mid 700s for all 3 CRAs.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated as to if this is normal, and if I should take action with AMEX or Chase.

 

EDIT June 8th: See my last post, things have gotten weird with AMEX.  They deny pulling all 3 of my reports.

| $8k | | $8k | | $6.5k | | $4k | | $2k | | $500 |

Baseline (5/1/2013) - EX 580 | TU 599 | EQ 599 * Goals - EX 750 | TU 750 | EQ 750
Current (6/10/2013) - EX 719 | TU 722 | EQ 737
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jamesdwi
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Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

AMEX is usually EX, only tripple pulls on borderline cases. Might of been best to AP for a  Charge card keep it for 6 months to a year and then AP for revolver and close the Charge card before AF is due. AMEX likes 720 or better for first revolver unless you have high income and thick long file.

 

Chase will double or tripple on borderline APs, perhaps too high of UTL or too many INQ's is the discover card reporting yet?

 

 

Cards: Chase Southwest 20k & CSP 10k & Amtrak 4.6k, & Freedom 3.3k & Slate 3.3k, FNBO DISC 14.9k Oregon Duck 5k, & AMEX BCP 15k & AMEX Hilton Surpass 7.5k & AMEX Zync NPSL, Sams Club Discover 10k, Paypal Extras MC 6k, CapOne 2.5k, CapOne 750, Amazon 3.9k, Walmart 4.5k, Citi HHonors Gold 6k, Discover IT 6.5k and a nice stack of store cards.
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HiLine
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Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

It is very common for credit card issuers to pull reports from more than 1 CRA's, especially for your first card with the issuer. Chase and Amex do this to most people. Does this make you feel better? :smileyhappy:

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kblatt
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Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions


jamesdwi wrote:

AMEX is usually EX, only tripple pulls on borderline cases. Might of been best to AP for a  Charge card keep it for 6 months to a year and then AP for revolver and close the Charge card before AF is due. AMEX likes 720 or better for first revolver unless you have high income and thick long file.

 

Chase will double or tripple on borderline APs, perhaps too high of UTL or too many INQ's is the discover card reporting yet?

 

 


Discover card is not reporting yet :smileysad:

 

Before this run I only had 2 / 2 / 1 inquiries respectively.  I'm a tad upset that they pulled all three and I burned so many HIs in a single day... something I definitely was not counting on.  

 

Chase nor Discover did this on my previous approvals, I guess which is why I wasn't expecting it.

| $8k | | $8k | | $6.5k | | $4k | | $2k | | $500 |

Baseline (5/1/2013) - EX 580 | TU 599 | EQ 599 * Goals - EX 750 | TU 750 | EQ 750
Current (6/10/2013) - EX 719 | TU 722 | EQ 737
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kblatt
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Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions


HiLine wrote:

It is very common for credit card issuers to pull reports from more than 1 CRA's, especially for your first card with the issuer. Chase and Amex do this to most people. Does this make you feel better? :smileyhappy:


A bit!  I'm worried this will affect my chances at a car refinance now, even though my scores are all 700+.

| $8k | | $8k | | $6.5k | | $4k | | $2k | | $500 |

Baseline (5/1/2013) - EX 580 | TU 599 | EQ 599 * Goals - EX 750 | TU 750 | EQ 750
Current (6/10/2013) - EX 719 | TU 722 | EQ 737
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HiLine
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Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions


kblatt wrote:

HiLine wrote:

It is very common for credit card issuers to pull reports from more than 1 CRA's, especially for your first card with the issuer. Chase and Amex do this to most people. Does this make you feel better? :smileyhappy:


A bit!  I'm worried this will affect my chances at a car refinance now, even though my scores are all 700+.


Keep utilization low and you should be fine. 2 inquiries on each report isn't too bad. :smileyhappy:

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09Lexie
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Registered: ‎09-13-2012

Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

Not sure why you thought Amex plus EQ, they primarily pull Ex and like others have said, all 3 if borderline. Unfortunately, they can still deny after pulling all 3. Chase usually pulls EX ( depending on where you live) and lately has been double pulling.

Having 3-4 inq's is not a high number but since you are thinking about refi'ng your car- if you get these cc's your CS will drop some when they start to report. Not sure when you are thinking of refi'ng but it is worth mentioning.
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bluesnowman
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Registered: ‎10-29-2012

Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

IME, Amex pulled all 3 when I first applied with them in November of last year. I have applied twice since then (no luck) and each time they have pulled EX. With Chase, they have pulled EX both times I have applied with them. But for others, I hear they will always pull EX+either TU or EQ depending on where you live and your profile. 

Bank of America: Cash Rewards.-1,000. 4/25/12 (CLI Increase 6/15/13), Citi: Forward- 3k. 10/27/12 (CLI on 2/8/14, SP). Discover: More- 2k. 10/27/12 (Increase 6/1/14). Amex: PRG- NPSL (closed 12/13/13). 11/24/12. Chase: Freedom. 5/1/13- 2.4k. Southwest Rapid Rewards Plus.-3.6k. 6/15/13. Amex BCE-2k. 12/7/13. Amex SPG-4k.12/8/13. Last App: 1/8/14.
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SnackTrader
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Registered: ‎09-15-2012

Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

Another point to add that might ease your pain:

Auto lenders frequently (read: I would be surprised if they didn't) use auto-enhanced scores to make decisions on credit applicants. These scoring models place significant weight on your payment history for auto loans and can differ from a CC-enhanced or other type of FICO considerably. So long as you have good performance on past auto loans, these inquiries likely won't pull you too far down in that process.

In My Wallet: Amex BCP (12/12) $22.200, Chase CSP (4/14) $12,000, Barclaycard Arrival (5/13) $10,500, Citi Forward (12/12) $9,600, Cap1 Cash Rewards (6/12) $9,000, Chase Freedom (12/12) $5,000

Last App: April 2, 2014
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lg8302ch
Posts: 2,436
Registered: ‎11-13-2012

Re: AMEX & Chase Application Questions

Hope it makes you feel better. Discover and Chase both did double pull on me with Fico EQ of 793 at time of application. Both pulled EX and EQ.  For the double pull of Discover I got a CL of 2,5K (worst app result for me)  :smileyfrustrated: 

FICO® EQ 789 (as of today) - TU 791 (05/28) * Fako EX 826 (06/02 - CS) * last app 06/01/14 * INQ last 2 yrs TU: 5, EX: 7, EQ: 7


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