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jlt1984
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Registered: ‎11-20-2012

AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

Hi everyone,

 

I've been working on rebuilding for the past two years, with a low FICO of 587 which I have brought up to 684 as of an alert on 1/4/13 -- according to this site.  Ive been a cardholder with AmEx since Sept 2012 and was given a measley credit line of $1,000.  Ive waited the 60 day "new customer" period and have tried to get a CLI to 3000 or 2000 in both December and January.  

 

I received by denial letters for the January attempts, which states "your FICO score on 1/5/13 was 703."  This score does not coincide with what is reported on this site.  I've verified that my score watch alert is set to anything 685+, so I'm not sure why I'm seeing varying scores.  

 

Has anyone else experienced this type of discrepancy between the score on this site and what lenders report?  Thanks for any info...

Beginning EQ score 01/11: 607
Current EQ score 11/12: 671
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CribDuchess
Posts: 425
Registered: ‎09-12-2011

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

Amex most likely pulled your Experian score which is not the same as your Equifax or Transunion score that you call pull on this site.  The letter from Amex should indicate which bureau was pulled (usually Experian).


FICOs: Walmart TU08 800 4/3/13; TU98 783 5/2/13; EQ 758 5/2/13; EX 741 (per US Bank 7/24/12)

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pizzadude
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Registered: ‎01-28-2010

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

 

+1.   Scorewatch monitors the Equifax CRA and AMEX very likely pulled Experian.   Your FICO scores from different CRAs won't be the same.

March2010 FICO® ~ 695 TU, 653 EQ, 697 EX
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thom02099
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Registered: ‎08-30-2011

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

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jlt1984 wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I've been working on rebuilding for the past two years, with a low FICO of 587 which I have brought up to 684 as of an alert on 1/4/13 -- according to this site.  Ive been a cardholder with AmEx since Sept 2012 and was given a measley credit line of $1,000.  Ive waited the 60 day "new customer" period and have tried to get a CLI to 3000 or 2000 in both December and January.  

 

I received by denial letters for the January attempts, which states "your FICO score on 1/5/13 was 703."  This score does not coincide with what is reported on this site.  I've verified that my score watch alert is set to anything 685+, so I'm not sure why I'm seeing varying scores.  

 

Has anyone else experienced this type of discrepancy between the score on this site and what lenders report?  Thanks for any info...


Can you confirm which report they cited in their denial?  AMEX nearly always pulls EX, though of course there are always exceptions for various circumstances.

Your EQ score here of 684 is a true FICO score.  But you can't get an EX score here.  That could explain the discrepancy in score. 

 

EDIT:  Jeepers, you guys ^^^^^^ above are quick !


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TU(TU04)=813 EQ(BEACON 9.0)=803 EX=756(4/2013) CL=$123,650 TOTAL/UTIL= ~5%
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jlt1984
Posts: 4
Registered: ‎11-20-2012

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

Thanks everyone; it is Experian.  When I saw FICO I instantaneously associated it with Equifax -- I thought the Experian scores were not allowed to use the phrase "FICO" - shows what I know, I guess...lol.

Beginning EQ score 01/11: 607
Current EQ score 11/12: 671
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pizzadude
Posts: 6,249
Registered: ‎01-28-2010

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

 

Consumers cannot purchase FICO scores from Experian.   But lenders and creditors purchase them.

March2010 FICO® ~ 695 TU, 653 EQ, 697 EX
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android01
Posts: 1,110
Registered: ‎09-22-2009

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

It's my hope that FICO and Experian kiss and make up for whatever differences they have so we can get all 3 of our FICO scores here again.....:smileyhappy:

EQ FICO - Beacon 5.0 - 817- 5/4/13
TU FICO - TU98 - 803- 5/4/13
TU FICO - TU08 - 845 - 5/13/13
EX FICO - Fair Isaac v2 - 839 - 5/11/13
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Revelate
Posts: 4,285
Registered: ‎12-30-2011

Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?


android01 wrote:

It's my hope that FICO and Experian kiss and make up for whatever differences they have so we can get all 3 of our FICO scores here again.....:smileyhappy:


Me too actually, and I'd love an update of TU98 -> TU04 for that matter while I'm wishing.

 

As for Amex, not only was it likely Experian, I strongly suspect they use either FICO '08 and/or Bankcard-enhanced as well.  Waiting to see my own score whenever they send me my recently approved BCP, as the approval was way out of line for the scores which I have here.

 


Starting Score: EQ 561, TU 567, EX 599* (12/30/11, EX lender pull 12/29/11)
Current Score: EQ 660, Wally TU 697, EX unknown (05/13/13)
Goal Score: 680 in all three (01/01/14)


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youngandcreditwrthy
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Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?

Yeah... Pretty sure they use that FICO 08. My Amex BCE approval was based on a 696 TU 08 FICO that matched my Walmart FICO!
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Revelate
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Re: AmEx CLI and FICO Score Accuracy?


youngandcreditwrthy wrote:
Yeah... Pretty sure they use that FICO 08. My Amex BCE approval was based on a 696 TU 08 FICO that matched my Walmart FICO!

Out of curiosity, were they pulled with the same balance and payment history reported, i.e. close enough together for there to be no disparity in the reports on any of the tradelines?


Starting Score: EQ 561, TU 567, EX 599* (12/30/11, EX lender pull 12/29/11)
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