04-26-2012 10:13 PM - edited 04-26-2012 10:59 PM
I was wondering if I might be able to get some input from all you people with rich experience in FICO stuff. Also let me say, I have already learned so much from reading this forum - thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!
My TU FICO is 747 and EQ FICO is 777. Both pulled from MyFICO on 04/26. I get Discover preapprovals in the mail and I have a Wells Fargo preapproval and I see preapproved messages for WF online as well (I bank with them).
Existing Accounts and hard pulls:
I applied for a Macy's card in 12/11 and was approved ($600 CL) but no Amex was sent. I do not see the Macy's HP on either EQ or TU. I moved last year and the new electric company denied me and made me give them a deposit. A Wells Fargo HP is listed on TU from 08/11, when I opened bank accounts with them. No inquiries listed on EQ (and only the one on TU).
I have only one CC, a Cap1 card with $300 CL but I understand they pretty much do not do consumer-initiated CLIs. I want a bigger CL, so I was thinking of going with either the pre-approvals from Wells Fargo or Discover that I keep getting.
Both EQ and TU reports list high utilization of over 30%, a mere $92 really. I actually pay twice a month on that account and they caught that on a low utilization day. I can, of course, stop using it altogether and bring the utilization down to near zero.
I have a ten year old closed CC account showing on EQ but not TU. I would think it would drop off EQ sometime soon as well (meaning EQ score would go down soon?) TU listed that I had a short credit history (2 AAoA vs 6 years on EQ).
I also wanted to see if I might get a car loan sometime in July or August (I've never had a loan before). That's why I wanted to apply for a credit card as early as possible to put some time in between the credit card and a possible car loan app.
Any advice on whether I should pull the trigger on either Wells Fargo or Discover? Good chance of approval? And if that might effectively prevent me from getting a loan later in the summer? Can only one happen easily?
I would appreciate any advice and again, thank you for sharing all your expertise!
04-26-2012 11:08 PM
How long have you had the Cap 1 card for?
04-27-2012 05:39 AM - edited 04-27-2012 01:16 PM
Cap1 was from 2007. Just under 5 years. No CLI all these years but I used to be a poor grad student.
04-27-2012 08:55 AM
Mailak;
Even though I have no love loss for WF, they will no doubt be more "approving" than Discover if you have decent deposits with them and a good history (checking, savings, for some time with no issues). You may not have the credit file needed to get a good CL with Discover. Just my 2 cents as I have experience with both, WF through parents and myself for several years.
04-27-2012 10:27 AM
Thans, for your reply RyVision. My account with WF is not a year old yet but I have a whole lot deposited in checking and savings. I was hoping that would count for somethign in their approval process. They'll greatly upset me if they keep all that money of mine and don't approve me but that is often how it is. I can't believe they ran a credit check for me to deposit my money with them (I'm sure it was listed somewhere in the reams of terms and conditions, of course.)
I'm not just wondering if I should try as-is or take my utilization to nil and then wait till it is reflected in my score. That might take another 6 weeks for the cycle to complete though.
04-27-2012 11:23 AM
Mailak wrote:Thans, for your reply RyVision. My account with WF is not a year old yet but I have a whole lot deposited in checking and savings. I was hoping that would count for somethign in their approval process. They'll greatly upset me if they keep all that money of mine and don't approve me but that is often how it is. I can't believe they ran a credit check for me to deposit my money with them (I'm sure it was listed somewhere in the reams of terms and conditions, of course.)
I'm not just wondering if I should try as-is or take my utilization to nil and then wait till it is reflected in my score. That might take another 6 weeks for the cycle to complete though.
If you have over 10k in savings and checking (combined, even a constant 5k would be enough for this tactic), ask a teller who you'd speak with about a CC (if they try to hand you a form to fill out, tell them you were hoping to speak to someone that handles CC accounts or loans). They (the teller) should point you to the right person, then ask that person (usually they have their own area) about your chances of approval with the info you know about your CR and score since you have accounts with them. They will probably give you an indication of what you could possibly expect before doing an HP. YMMV however.
I have to add, WF can be a stickler, the car loan in a couple months I can't really comment on, our WF banks are no doubt different areas lol. If you do business with them though, they are often fairly decent, compared to a few others anyway. Not generous mind you, just decent.
04-27-2012 12:13 PM
Yes, I have nearly 30k with them, combined. I think I'd rather try to get a CC than a loan down the road but that's certainly something I would want to try later.
It's good to get your input. I was starting to lean the other way round - to try Discover since I get more preapprovals from them and since I surmised WF is hard to get.
Maybe I should just get the utilization down to zero. It's hard having a total balance under $30 ![]()
04-27-2012 12:54 PM
Mailak wrote:Yes, I have nearly 30k with them, combined. I think I'd rather try to get a CC than a loan down the road but that's certainly something I would want to try later.
It's good to get your input. I was starting to lean the other way round - to try Discover since I get more preapprovals from them and since I surmised WF is hard to get.
Maybe I should just get the utilization down to zero. It's hard having a total balance under $30
Ah, that helps. Pay off Cap 1 through your online account (pay them 10% over the balance, that should give you a 0 balance update even if there's interest not posting), call them after it posts and request "an off cycle update" for your account to the credit bureaus (they can do at least that for you after having them for 5 years).
After that takes place (you'll spot it if you check here or some other free services online). Then you can go in and talk to WF, they shouldn't hesitate to send you to a supervisor about a CC who should be happy to speak with you about all the info and possible CL you might get (considering you have 30k with them). Though they can not promise anything without a hard pull, they SHOULD be able to do a soft for you, or you can always check into other banking options ![]()
Do NOT let them talk you into investing with their financial advisors or CFPs however (Wells Fargo Financial), unless you're already with them, which you're not, or you'd already have one of their cards.
With your deposits (if that's a consistent balance) and your clean history and scores, they should have little problem granting you a 5k CL. Just treat it like gold because WF can be ..... less than golden.
Here's a link to their current CC offers. Pick the one you like most (read about it and it's terms) and tell the person you speak with that that's the one you're curious about. (you may have to right click and open in a new window).
https://www.wellsfargo.com/credit_cards/
04-28-2012 08:25 AM
Thanks for the additional guidance! I'll pay it off though apparently that is harder than it seems. I put in another payment and suddenly another scheduled charge appeared on the card. Because my CL is so small, even small dollar amounts are over 10% utilization. Do multiple payments count negatively?
I was also wondering what I should tell Cap1 if they ask why I wanted an off cycle update. Do I just say I want an updated credit history so that I can discuss credit options?
While WF has not had 30k all year, it consisently builds twice a month. I believe all history is clean. There's nothing on EQ and TU. I remember missing a Verizon payment 4-5 years ago out of sheer forgetfulness but insofar as the credit accounts go, both reports show zero late payments. I've been careful not to try to apply for credit all these years since I knew nobody would give it to me anyway.
04-28-2012 08:31 AM
In my estimation, you're better off with Discover.
I think Discover is a more leniant than Wells when it comes to approval. Discover has an infinitely superior rewards program. Wells Fargo has one of the least compelling rewards programs of any bank. Aside from their secured card or financing terms, I see no reason to apply for a Wells Fargo card that seems bereft of rewards when compared to their competitors.

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