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sl1029
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Registered: ‎05-24-2012

Balance or Zero?

Is it better to have a small balance show on your credit cards each month, or have them paid in full for boosting your score?

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lithium78
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Re: Balance or Zero?

From what I've heard, it's good to have a small balance on one card to demonstrate usage, but keep everything else at zero to show responsibility.


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Dagansinferno
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Registered: ‎04-25-2012

Re: Balance or Zero?

Depends on your objective. But, generally if you can even keep your util under let's say 4% that's more than adequate. If you plan on making some big purchases (house, car loan, etc) might be better to report $0 for a couple cycles, then maybe small balance.

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sl1029
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Registered: ‎05-24-2012

Re: Balance or Zero?

We are looking to start building a new home (mortgage of $200,000) but need to get out scores up first.

Just last week we were able to get (combined with my husband) 19 medical collections deleted from our reports-so we are waiting for that to be updated.

Some posts say to have zero balance on cards for a score increase and others I read said just to keep your util. under a certain percentage.

thanks for your help!

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Revelate
Posts: 4,450
Registered: ‎12-30-2011

Re: Balance or Zero?


sl1029 wrote:

We are looking to start building a new home (mortgage of $200,000) but need to get out scores up first.

Just last week we were able to get (combined with my husband) 19 medical collections deleted from our reports-so we are waiting for that to be updated.

Some posts say to have zero balance on cards for a score increase and others I read said just to keep your util. under a certain percentage.

thanks for your help!


Anecdotally, there appears to be some calculation on number of accounts reporting a balance (any balance).

 

How much this affects a score is near impossible to say, but most agree if you're trying to maximize your FICO for a given period of time because you have an application coming up, then getting all or most of your cards to $0, and letting some small amount report is optimal.  This doesn't quite work for all users, but it seems to be consistent for the majority of them.

 

Also Lithium: not sure if the usage is right or not, payments over the course of the month get reported to the bureaus, and that presumably is in the information a lender receives on a pull... so they can generally see usage from that alone regardless of the balances reported.  FICO has no memory of that for it's score calculation though.

 

 


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MarineVietVet
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Re: Balance or Zero?


Revelate wrote:
 

Anecdotally, there appears to be some calculation on number of accounts reporting a balance (any balance).

 

How much this affects a score is near impossible to say, but most agree if you're trying to maximize your FICO for a given period of time because you have an application coming up, then getting all or most of your cards to $0, and letting some small amount report is optimal.  This doesn't quite work for all users, but it seems to be consistent for the majority of them.

 

Also Lithium: not sure if the usage is right or not, payments over the course of the month get reported to the bureaus, and that presumably is in the information a lender receives on a pull... so they can generally see usage from that alone regardless of the balances reported.  FICO has no memory of that for it's score calculation though.

 

 


It's not anecdotally at all. What's In Your FICO Score tells us that part of the calculation for Amounts Owed is Number of accounts with balances.

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discernment
Posts: 1,142
Registered: ‎09-01-2011

Re: Balance or Zero?


sl1029 wrote:

We are looking to start building a new home (mortgage of $200,000) but need to get out scores up first.

Just last week we were able to get (combined with my husband) 19 medical collections deleted from our reports-so we are waiting for that to be updated.

Some posts say to have zero balance on cards for a score increase and others I read said just to keep your util. under a certain percentage.

thanks for your help!


According to FICO® this is what they look for in your score:

 

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There is a utilization FICO® spiking game that those looking for credit can use to their advantage.  You leave a small balance (like $10, or so), on ONE credit card and all your other cards report a zero balance. This will maximize and ring the most points out of your FICO® score.  I've been doing this every month since I learned about it here on myFICO® and it has become a habit.  Just don't forget to pay off the $10 before that card's due date!  

 

But yes, its best to have ONE credit card report that small balance while all the rest report zero. 

 

Your history of excellent on time payments counts FOR you but, your number of accounts with balances and, (God forbid) past due balances counts AGAINST you. 

 

Hope this helps!



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Re: Balance or Zero?


MarineVietVet wrote:

It's not anecdotally at all. What's In Your FICO Score tells us that part of the calculation for Amounts Owed is Number of accounts with balances.

:smileyvery-happy: MarineVietVet and I are on the same page! 



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Revelate
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Registered: ‎12-30-2011

Re: Balance or Zero?


MarineVietVet wrote: 

It's not anecdotally at all. What's In Your FICO Score tells us that part of the calculation for Amounts Owed is Number of accounts with balances.


Ah, I didn't know that was gospel honestly :smileywink:.

 


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