cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

Best use of Chase UR points

tag
distantarray
Established Contributor

Best use of Chase UR points

1. Cash back

2. Merchandise

3. Gift cards

4. Travel (hotels or airfare)

 

ok

 

1. Cash back is good but only get 1 cents per point value

2. merchandise can usually be found at other retailers for a cheaper price, much better to buy the product at a store like amazon in most cases and just get a cash back credit.

3. gift cards if the gift cards are on a 1:1 ratio don't get it. You'll actually lose points from purchasing the card with your card, then getting cash back.

 

 

So 1 through 3 Cash back is the best option, much easier to buy things somewhere else and redeem for cash back in most cases. Although promotions exists that are better.

 

Now 4. Travel is very tricky.

 

a) Domestic travel is good for Chase.com booking since 25% bonus. Meaning each point = 1.25% with Sapphire. So a $179 ticket (Tampa to NY)  would cost around 14,300 UR points not bad.   1.25 cents per value

 

b) Transfered to UR points to United would cost 25,000 points about 0.7 value per point

 

c) pay for the ticket $179 then get the points 358 points then get cash back.  $179 = 17900 points - 358 earned =17,542 each point in this case would be worth slightly above a 1 cent value.

 

Also for A or C you would get frequent flyer miles for miles flown. So this further makes B a terrible deal.

 

But internationally B is the winner during high season.

 

To Asia it costs upto $2,800 for a economy ticket vs 65,000 points for round trip through United. 1 point value is over 4 cents, for first class saver award 130,000 points for round trip is around $12,800 making the value about 10 cents a piece.

 

Now if you used Chase.com booking. You would need  350,000 points for Economy @ $2,800,  and over 1,025,000 points for a $12,800 ticket.....

 

No matter what there's a way to use your points properly, just don't fall for all their gimmicks =)

 

Cash back is the easiest to understand but expand your mind and explore all options Smiley Wink


total credit limits $108,400 Credit scores Ex 728 EQ 738 TU 758
Message 1 of 20
19 REPLIES 19
armbenderc
Valued Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points

I got it as cashback. Let it pile up and go straight to checking Smiley Very Happy

 

Unless you want to travel or vacation.

 

Cash is king, err I mean credit is king.

2013 Approvals: Discover IT - 3/1, Amex BCE - 3/4, CSP - 5/4, Barclay Ring - 6/12, BoA Privileges Cash - 6/27, Citi TY Preferred - 8/6, OCCU Duck - 11/4, USBank (Cash+) - 11/22, Wells Fargo - 12/21, Nordstrom - 12/29

12/19/2013, $100k+ Available Credit. Total Util: 0-1%
Message 2 of 20
Cdnewmanpac
Established Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points

You are leaving Southwest out of your domestic equation. I assume this is because you are in Florida. Example of converting to SW rapid rewards points for redemption: 3 weeks ago, Southwest wanted $269 RT from Denver to Portland in April. Or, you could get a rt for 9361 points. I booked 3 tickets using RR points, using a total of 28083 points. This compares to $807 to purchase. This is almost 2.9cpp. I know you can do better than this flying to Asia during high season with United, but those of us who don't do that can still come out ahead on domestic routes.

In wallet: Ink Plus 10k, AMEX TE 25k. In bag: CSP 16k, USAA WMC 15k, Hyatt 13k, United MPE 12k, AMEX HHonors 3k. In SD: Cap 1 QS 5k, Discover IT 7k. FICO 08 says my EQ is now 844, was 510 in 2010.
Message 3 of 20
Alcibiades
Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points

You can also transfer to British Airways Avios. Via British Airways, you can book American Airlines flights at a low cost. For example, 15,000 miles generally gets you to Florida from NY on British Airways. That is comparable to using pay with points.

 

I would let the points build up to 60,000 or more so you could use for international redemptions on United.

Message 4 of 20
bribro
Valued Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points

You left out Southwest, which usually redeems at 1.6-1.9 cpm. You can also get 2-5 cpp with certain Hyatt Gold Passport bookings.

 

I also question the math and assumptions in your analysis:

 

"Transfered to UR points to United would cost 25,000 points about 0.7 value per point." 0.7 cpm is close to a worst case scenario. Of course, if you're booking an S or T fare class domestic flight on United with miles, it would be a poor redemption rate. However, when only higher fare classes are available and for saver awards, using miles for domestic redemptions can easily yield >3 cpm. It's potentionally even better for international flights and business/first class tickets, as you alluded to.

 

 "Now if you used Chase.com booking. You would need 350,000 points for Economy @ $2,800." With the 25% bonus, it's 224,000 UR points to book a $2,800 flight, not 350,000. I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

 

Bottom line: The best use of UR points is when they're transferred to travel partners (specifically United, Hyatt, Korean Air and BA).

TU FICO: 800 (2/1/14) | CK Score: 802 (2/1/14) | CS Score: 805 (2/1/14)

J.P. Morgan Palladium ($250k) | AmEx Platinum (NPSL) | AmEx SPG Personal/Business ($50k/$50k) | Citi Executive AAdvantage WEMC ($50k) | Citi Dividend WEMC ($50k) | Chase Sapphire Preferred VS ($50k) | Chase Ink Bold WEMC ($50k Flex) | Chase Ink Plus WEMC ($25k) | Chase Freedom VS ($25k) | Chase Freedom WMC ($25k) | Chase MileagePlus Explorer ($25k) | Chase Southwest RR Plus Business/Personal ($15k/$15k) | Barclays US Airways ($25k) | Barclays Hawaiian Airlines ($25k) | BofA Alaska Airlines ($10k) | Lexus Financial Services ($30k) | Mercedes-Benz Financial Services ($50k)
Message 5 of 20
FutureBillionaire
Established Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points


@Cdnewmanpac wrote:

You are leaving Southwest out of your domestic equation. I assume this is because you are in Florida. Example of converting to SW rapid rewards points for redemption: 3 weeks ago, Southwest wanted $269 RT from Denver to Portland in April. Or, you could get a rt for 9361 points. I booked 3 tickets using RR points, using a total of 28083 points. This compares to $807 to purchase. This is almost 2.9cpp. I know you can do better than this flying to Asia during high season with United, but those of us who don't do that can still come out ahead on domestic routes.


I'm looking forward to racking up a bunch of points and flying around the country on Southwest Airlines.  It's going to be awesome.

Gas: Discover It, Penfed Platinum Rewards x2, Chase freedom, Citi TYP
Plane tickets: CSP
Groceries: AMEX BCP, Penfed Platinum Rewards,Citi TYP
Clothes: Express, Amex BCP, Discover IT
Amazon: Citi Forward, Cash +
Restaurants: Citi Forward, Chase Freedom, Discover IT, CSP
Hotels and other travel: Discover Escape, CSP
Movies: BofA travel rewards visa signature(fandango), Discover IT, Citi Forward, Freedom
Bars, clubs, tomfoolery: CSP, Citi Forward, Discover IT, Freedom
Balance transfers: Kroger 123 rewards
Bill Pay: Chase Ink Plus, Citi Forward,
Everyday spending: Bofa Accelerated cash rewards amex, Discover Escape
Message 6 of 20
distantarray
Established Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points


@bribro wrote:

 

 

@ "Now if you used Chase.com booking. You would need 350,000 points for Economy @ $2,800." With the 25% bonus, it's 224,000 UR points to book a $2,800 flight, not 350,000. I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

 

Bottom line: The best use of UR points is when they're transferred to travel partners (specifically United, Hyatt, Korean Air and BA).


opps nice catch Smiley Wink

posting while clients are waiting is meh lol

 

anyways yea a lot of people use it for cash back, but definately not the best way to spend them, just wanted to point it out travel airfare or hotel partners are much better than cash back. I get over a 4 cent value for economy to Asia, but I'm tryin out first class this summer. Unfortunately I can't travel much off season =\ 


total credit limits $108,400 Credit scores Ex 728 EQ 738 TU 758
Message 7 of 20
Iincognito
Regular Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points


@armbenderc wrote:

I got it as cashback. Let it pile up and go straight to checking Smiley Very Happy

 

Unless you want to travel or vacation.

 

Cash is king, err I mean credit is king.


+1 Yeap, that works great for me.

Message 8 of 20
CreditScholar
Valued Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points


@bribro wrote:

You left out Southwest, which usually redeems at 1.6-1.9 cpm. You can also get 2-5 cpp with certain Hyatt Gold Passport bookings.

 

I also question the math and assumptions in your analysis:

 

"Transfered to UR points to United would cost 25,000 points about 0.7 value per point." 0.7 cpm is close to a worst case scenario. Of course, if you're booking an S or T fare class domestic flight on United with miles, it would be a poor redemption rate. However, when only higher fare classes are available and for saver awards, using miles for domestic redemptions can easily yield >3 cpm. It's potentionally even better for international flights and business/first class tickets, as you alluded to.

 

@ "Now if you used Chase.com booking. You would need 350,000 points for Economy @ $2,800." With the 25% bonus, it's 224,000 UR points to book a $2,800 flight, not 350,000. I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

 

Bottom line: The best use of UR points is when they're transferred to travel partners (specifically United, Hyatt, Korean Air and BA).


I have to disagree with the analysis of 2-5 cpp for Hyatt bookings. 2 cpp yes, 5 cpp definitely not. I used to value them in this way, but when compared to Hyatt certificates the value drops significantly.

 

For example the Park Hyatt Tokyo costs about $500 per night or 22k points, which equates to 2.27 cpp. However you can purchase a stay certificate for $325 which gives the exact same room. Neither the certificate nor the award night gets you stay credit, and both cover applicable taxes in addition to the room cost. In this sense they are equal. Running the numbers against the certificate ($325 vs 22k) = 1.48 cpp. The PH Sydney is $461 for a certificate or 22k points, which nets a value of 2.1 cpp.

 

Prior to the merger, US miles could be bought for 1.88 cpp during a 100% bonus. I can't speak about after the merger is complete, but for the past few years they've been running those sales almost every month (if you're targeted). Unless you need the double open-jaw and stopover provided by United, they have very similar Star Alliance inventory access.

 

This is why my redemption targets are ~ 2 cpp. The alternatives are close enough that I can't value UR points above 2 cpp.

EX 798, EQ 789, TU 784
American Express Platinum (NPSL) || Bank of America Privileges with Travel Rewards Visa Signature - $23,200 CL
Barclays American Airlines Aviator Red World Elite Mastercard - $20,000 CL || Chase IHG Rewards World Mastercard - $25,000 CL
Chase Sapphire Preferred Visa Signature - $12,700 CL || Chase United MileagePlus Club World Elite MasterCard - $26,500 CL
Citibank Hilton Reserve Visa Signature - $20,000 CL || J.P. Morgan Ritz Carlton Visa Signature - $23,500 CL
Message 9 of 20
bribro
Valued Contributor

Re: Best use of Chase UR points


@CreditScholar wrote:

@bribro wrote:

You left out Southwest, which usually redeems at 1.6-1.9 cpm. You can also get 2-5 cpp with certain Hyatt Gold Passport bookings.

 

I also question the math and assumptions in your analysis:

 

"Transfered to UR points to United would cost 25,000 points about 0.7 value per point." 0.7 cpm is close to a worst case scenario. Of course, if you're booking an S or T fare class domestic flight on United with miles, it would be a poor redemption rate. However, when only higher fare classes are available and for saver awards, using miles for domestic redemptions can easily yield >3 cpm. It's potentionally even better for international flights and business/first class tickets, as you alluded to.

 

@ "Now if you used Chase.com booking. You would need 350,000 points for Economy @ $2,800." With the 25% bonus, it's 224,000 UR points to book a $2,800 flight, not 350,000. I think you multiplied when you should have divided.

 

Bottom line: The best use of UR points is when they're transferred to travel partners (specifically United, Hyatt, Korean Air and BA).


I have to disagree with the analysis of 2-5 cpp for Hyatt bookings. 2 cpp yes, 5 cpp definitely not. I used to value them in this way, but when compared to Hyatt certificates the value drops significantly.

 

For example the Park Hyatt Tokyo costs about $500 per night or 22k points, which equates to 2.27 cpp. However you can purchase a stay certificate for $325 which gives the exact same room. Neither the certificate nor the award night gets you stay credit, and both cover applicable taxes in addition to the room cost. In this sense they are equal. Running the numbers against the certificate ($325 vs 22k) = 1.48 cpp. The PH Sydney is $461 for a certificate or 22k points, which nets a value of 2.1 cpp.

 

Prior to the merger, US miles could be bought for 1.88 cpp during a 100% bonus. I can't speak about after the merger is complete, but for the past few years they've been running those sales almost every month (if you're targeted). Unless you need the double open-jaw and stopover provided by United, they have very similar Star Alliance inventory access.

 

This is why my redemption targets are ~ 2 cpp. The alternatives are close enough that I can't value UR points above 2 cpp.


I guess I got lucky when I booked a Hyatt property in Napa a few months ago at 5+ cpp. Smiley Happy Good to know about the Hyatt certificates though, I'll check that out. That definitely changes the math.

 

Of course, points valuations are ultimately a personal thing. If you never fly, United miles aren't worth anything. It's also silly to say United miles are worth 15 cpm because of some arbitrary international first class redemption rate, unless you were really going to spend $12,000 or whatever on that ticket. In my case, I have been able to consistently get 3 cpm or more in value out of my UR points, so that's what I go with. It'll be different for everyone.

TU FICO: 800 (2/1/14) | CK Score: 802 (2/1/14) | CS Score: 805 (2/1/14)

J.P. Morgan Palladium ($250k) | AmEx Platinum (NPSL) | AmEx SPG Personal/Business ($50k/$50k) | Citi Executive AAdvantage WEMC ($50k) | Citi Dividend WEMC ($50k) | Chase Sapphire Preferred VS ($50k) | Chase Ink Bold WEMC ($50k Flex) | Chase Ink Plus WEMC ($25k) | Chase Freedom VS ($25k) | Chase Freedom WMC ($25k) | Chase MileagePlus Explorer ($25k) | Chase Southwest RR Plus Business/Personal ($15k/$15k) | Barclays US Airways ($25k) | Barclays Hawaiian Airlines ($25k) | BofA Alaska Airlines ($10k) | Lexus Financial Services ($30k) | Mercedes-Benz Financial Services ($50k)
Message 10 of 20
Advertiser Disclosure: The offers that appear on this site are from third party advertisers from whom FICO receives compensation.