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LostTime
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How much weight does Amex put on Income

I was recently approved for an Amex Delta Gold with an $8,000 limit. Prior to applying I had one line of credit (I am 31), a $300 capital one card opened this past October. I applied because I read that it was an easier card to get and because I fly delta. I was shocked when I got the 7-10 day message. They asked that I send in either tax returns or Pay Stubs. I sent in pay stubs and was shocked when they approved the card. I was certain with my limited history I would get a $1K or $2K limit. My jaw hit the floor when they came back with an $8K limit and the rep told me to be sure to apply for an increase in 61 days.

 

Feeling lucky, I applied for a Discover card and was approved for $1,250, I then applied for a Citi Forward card and was approved for $2,000.

 

I make pretty good money, $165,000 last year.

 

Do Amex and these other providers put THAT much weight on income that they are willing to "take a chance" on someone with verified high income? My wife believes it was the combination of that and the fact that I am 31 and have accumulated $0 debt in my life...But even still, from everything I have read, this just doesn't make sense.

 

Thoughts?

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nicholasyud
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

Amex stand out to be  pretty smart to start u with a flat $8k credit line.

No debt no baddie 31 years old. (FR) Income Submit.

$165.000 Income

Amex  sure know damn well what they doing......


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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income


LostTime wrote:

I was recently approved for an Amex Delta Gold with an $8,000 limit. Prior to applying I had one line of credit (I am 31), a $300 capital one card opened this past October. I applied because I read that it was an easier card to get and because I fly delta. I was shocked when I got the 7-10 day message. They asked that I send in either tax returns or Pay Stubs. I sent in pay stubs and was shocked when they approved the card. I was certain with my limited history I would get a $1K or $2K limit. My jaw hit the floor when they came back with an $8K limit and the rep told me to be sure to apply for an increase in 61 days.

 

Feeling lucky, I applied for a Discover card and was approved for $1,250, I then applied for a Citi Forward card and was approved for $2,000.

 

I make pretty good money, $165,000 last year.

 

Do Amex and these other providers put THAT much weight on income that they are willing to "take a chance" on someone with verified high income? My wife believes it was the combination of that and the fact that I am 31 and have accumulated $0 debt in my life...But even still, from everything I have read, this just doesn't make sense.

 

Thoughts?


They didn't really take a chance.  Sounds like you had a fairly (or very thin file) but that's sort of information in itself, you hadn't gone wild with debt in the past.  Presumably your application stated your income approximately correctly.  In those circumstances (good income, but short credit history) they wanted to verify your income.  Once that was done, the 8K limit (rising in 61 days) is certainly reasonable.

 

If you had a longer credit history, they would have skipped income verification.

 

So the answer I guess is: a lot of weight if the credit history isn't there!

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Revelate
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

I suspect Amex is a little more generous (or perhaps a lot more generous) with whatever they feel is above average income.  Also income factors heavily into any lender's CL offering as well.

 

I'm almost absolutely certain by my own personal experience that there is a sliding scale as far as Amex underwriting goes, and income factors somewhat to heavily in that equation.  Waiting to see what my own offered limit is on what I listed as my annual income (125K, I always understate) on one of their blue cash revolvers which realistically I thought I had absolutely zero shot at given my own credit history.

 

On the other hand since I figured there's no sense making one application without making a second on a different report, I also picked up a USAA mastercard, 2K limit.  USAA is traditionally a little more generous with full members anecdotally (and I've had a secured loan with them for a year now) but in this case they matched the middle tradeline I have currently in terms of limit, so if Amex comes back and beats that, I think it's a non-trivial suggestion as to Amex's factoring income albeit I do have nearly four months history on my Zync that they could look at as well.

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stormb28
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

Man, you people are loaded, $100k+.
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nyancat
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

I don't think Amex cares that much about income. About $25k here, self-employed (business is growing though). $15,600 limit on Amex... vs $1500 on Discover.

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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income


nyancat wrote:

I don't think Amex cares that much about income. About $25k here, self-employed (business is growing though). $15,600 limit on Amex... vs $1500 on Discover.


I put down 35000 and received a 10000 limit.

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Walt_K
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

As stated above, it appears to be sliding scale.  Based on threads I've seen, people with solid credit profiles, modest/reasonable income, still get good initial limits, often matching or near their other high limits.  Those reporting higher incomes can get high initial limits even if they have a few more issues in their credit past.


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LostTime
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

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navigatethis12 wrote:

nyancat wrote:

I don't think Amex cares that much about income. About $25k here, self-employed (business is growing though). $15,600 limit on Amex... vs $1500 on Discover.


I put down 35000 and received a 10000 limit.



I am guessing you have a great history.

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nyancat
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Re: How much weight does Amex put on Income

For me I suspect AmEx just decided to match the $15,600 limit of my parents Wells Fargo card that I'm still an AU on. 

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