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@disdreamin wrote:Not to hijack the thread but...yeah, I'm hijacking.
How in the WORLD do you get to 3x or 4x credit lines to income?! I am pretty darn sure the banks would *never* extend me that kind of credit. What am I doing wrong?! I got 4506t'd with AmEx trying to go up by a few thousand before. Sheesh. I need to learn from y'all. So please teach me, oh guru's of credit!
To keep this at least somewhat on-topic, OP, your idea of keeping it to 1.5 times income seems about right to me. If I do personal income, I'm about 1:1 right now. However, my SO and I share all cards, so it's less than 1:1 for household (adding up all our credit lines, and all cards but one are my cards). I think I'm doing something wrong here though, as it seems like maybe I'm shooting for too low a number?!
Im at about 3.25x income and I couldnt even get 2x until my CRs were totally clean and Fico was in excess of 730, once it hit 760+ it opened the door to even higher limits and more cards. Keep your DTI low and your overall reported revolving credit utilization low and it opens up a much better world.
From reading these forums IMO income is the LEAST important factor to individual CL's and overall total CL. Factors such as derogs, utilization, AAoA, etc. are far more important IMO. I've seen people on here with perfectly clean reports, extremely low utilization and high AAoAs but low (relatively) income and they have 3-5X their income in combined credit limits. Conversely you take a guy with an income twice the national average but he's got some baddies, some fair utilization and a lower AAoA and his combined limits are at or below his annual income.
Proof (to me) that income isn't nearly as important of a factor is that 9 times out of 10 it isn't even verified, where all of the other measurables on your credit report are easily verifyable in a matter of moments by anyone that needs to take a look.
@disdreamin wrote:I'm nowhere near 1:1 credit lines to income and I am still continually surprised that companies are willing to extend me more credit. Then I see people with 3xTCL to income and I'm like WHAAAAAT?!?! So I'd say once things are all cleaned up you're probably good to go. They'll let you know when you get there, as you'll see denials instead of approvals when you decide to apply for additional credit, right?
1) Have a job that pays very well
2) Have a job that requires a lot of travel where travel expenses are close to annual income
3) Work for a company that allows personal credit cards to be used for T & E.
4) Build up CLs based on big charges and perfect payment history.[aggregate CL = 2x to 3x annual income]
5) Get tired of 80% travel and settle for a job paying 1/2 the salary of the road warrior job.
Boom! aggregate CL now = 4x to 6x annual income.
As was said earlier, most banks consider income as only one of several factors in determining credit limits.
My current total credit limit is approximately half of my income, but I've also never asked for a limit increase either.
My total available credit (cards and PLOCs) is about 1.5x current income.
I actually thought that most of my cards are pretty low limit even for my not-that-great income but each lender has their own criteria so we'll see.
@Anonymous wrote:I'm at more than double my annual income. Of course, double squat is still squat.
^^^^ This is me as well... LOL!
It seems that for people with more modest incomes (like myself) having total credit lines that are multiples of our income isn't that out of the ordinary. Contrast that with somebody who earns $200k per year... most likely they won't have a need for $800k in credit lines even if they can qualify for it.
If you look you'll be able to find exceptions, of course.
UncleB wrote:It seems that for people with more modest incomes (like myself) having total credit lines that are multiples of our income isn't that out of the ordinary. Contrast that with somebody who earns $200k per year... most likely they won't have a need for $800k in credit lines even if they can qualify for it.
If you look you'll be able to find exceptions, of course.
Quite true.
There are posters making over $500k per year with an aggregate CL under $200k and others likely making $60k to $80k with aggregate CLs over $200k. Once you get past a certain dollar amount, transactions generally aren't credit card based - so limited benefit in $500k and higher CLs.
Total CL: $321.7k | UTL: 2% | AAoA: 7.0yrs | Baddies: 0 | Other: Lease, Loan, *No Mortgage, All Inq's from Jun '20 Car Shopping |