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android01
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JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

I've had a JP Morgan Select card since January of this year.  It hasn't reported to the CRA's so I called them and was told that neither the JP Morgan Select or the Palladium report to the CRA's!  It's a HIDDEN TL!  Woot!  :smileysurprised::smileyhappy:  Why am I happy?  It has a large CL that will never be a "new" account, and will never affect utilization or AAoA.  If I ever have to carry a balance for anything, this will be the card I use.  What a nice surprise!  :smileyvery-happy:

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Revelate
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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

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Weird.  Anti-poaching tactic preventing their competitors from seeing the specific tradeline and trying to lure them away?

 

Personally I don't see the benefit for either the consumer or the lender, other than maybe it's being cheaper not to report it... but since it's all a common infrastructure, it has to be more complicated (read expensive) to exclude them at least on their internal infrastructure side, no clue what the CRA's charge.


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cassembler
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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

I bet they'd report it if it turned into a 30-day late :smileyhappy:

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android01
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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's


cassembler wrote:

I bet they'd report it if it turned into a 30-day late :smileyhappy:


I bet you're right! :smileywink:  

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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

I'm not sure what to think about this? Helps with AAoA but possibly hurts util? Is there a specific known reason for this?

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android01
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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's


Revelate wrote:

Weird.  Anti-poaching tactic preventing their competitors from seeing the specific tradeline and trying to lure them away?

 

Personally I don't see the benefit for either the consumer or the lender, other than maybe it's being cheaper not to report it... but since it's all a common infrastructure, it has to be more complicated (read expensive) to exclude them at least on their internal infrastructure side, no clue what the CRA's charge.


I doubt its an anti-poaching tactic as you can't really see which card it is, just the financial institution.  I think I might even like the idea of a hidden TL more than AMEX and back dating.  

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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's


android01 wrote:

Revelate wrote:

Weird.  Anti-poaching tactic preventing their competitors from seeing the specific tradeline and trying to lure them away?

 

Personally I don't see the benefit for either the consumer or the lender, other than maybe it's being cheaper not to report it... but since it's all a common infrastructure, it has to be more complicated (read expensive) to exclude them at least on their internal infrastructure side, no clue what the CRA's charge.


I doubt its an anti-poaching tactic as you can't really see which card it is, just the financial institution.  I think I might even like the idea of a hidden TL more than AMEX and back dating.  


Nah, I can almost guaruntee you they can figure out which of a small few cards it likely is just by looking at the tradeline... it truly isn't a long intellectual walk.  The lenders all have data on their competitors products (and they can do their own internal analysis too if they wish on their own customer data since they have access to their reports, it's a large enough sample size to be sure).  Even without knowledge of the specific tradeline, the listed CL, high balance, current balance, and payments made, that's pretty easy to figure out on review that someone is potentially spending big on the card, and that's enough reason to poach them anyway. 

 

Personally I think it's suspect, but I'm not a fan of anything hidden when it comes to credit reporting and scoring.

 


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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

This card just became appealing to me.
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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's

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Jake0215 wrote:
I'm not sure what to think about this? Helps with AAoA but possibly hurts util? Is there a specific known reason for this?

It can't hurt anything if it doesn't report.  The only possible way that it can hurt utilization is if I was planning on the CL reporting to intentionally lower my utilization, which I was not.  My guess is that their reasoning for not reporting it is to give you the freedom and incentive to use the card more, for larger purchases, and carry balances (which Chase collects interest on) without suffering any credit report consequences.  It is a "flexible spending" card where I can charge over my limit.  I think it's a brilliant idea.  It certainly got my attention!  

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Re: JP Morgan Select does NOT report to CRA's


cassembler wrote:

I bet they'd report it if it turned into a 30-day late :smileyhappy:


Doubt it, thats the last thing they're worried about is reporting to a CRA. This is nothing like a normal customer relationship it would seem.


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