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jake619
Posts: 496
Registered: ‎11-13-2012

Utilization Theories

With so many theories about the best utilization to keep on a card, usually ranging from 1% to 10%, is there any advantage to allowing a card to report to the CB's a higher, like ~70% utilization, then pay it down the following month followed by sustained low utilization?  It seems to me if we robotically report minimam utilization it also seems unnatural.  We spend to get points, cash back, cover a short period, whatever the reason, wouldn't an occasional spike show you're human?  Most importantly, would it benefit your score?


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luckelle
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Registered: ‎12-05-2007

Re: Utilization Theories

I believe the same example works for me too. when I pay down a card slowly my score goes up faster. Crazy but seems true.

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AF_23
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Registered: ‎02-06-2012

Re: Utilization Theories

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I have a feeling what is said on here is getting to you a bit. Most people most certainly dont follow that robotic utilization method in the real world

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bettercreditguy1
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Registered: ‎02-11-2012

Re: Utilization Theories

The lower your Fico scores, the more that any little change impacts your results up or down, an increase in your AAOA, inquiries dropping, late payments ageing, etc.  For example, I am running at  17% utilization this month bc of some large purchases. My scores have not changed. What impacted my score more was using several credit cards 5, an auto and home loan. The reported negative"too many accounts with balances" showed up. After paying the cc accounts and shelfing a couple of my lesser used cards,  the negative reporting item will not show up and my score will rebound.

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bernhardtra
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Registered: ‎10-15-2011

Re: Utilization Theories

Utilization in regards to your credit report actually does not have a history.  40% is the recommended for people without any serious deliquencies or bankruptcies and 20% for those that do.  This part of your score changes as you decrease or increase the balances on your account.  One aspect of it is also the amount on one card.  If that one account is way too high then it can have a bit of an impact on your score too.  I actually read most of this right from FICO!


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webhopper
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Registered: ‎09-16-2011

Re: Utilization Theories

Hi there!

 

I'm going to step outside the box and state that I don't follow the robotic utilization patterns unless I'm going to be applying for something in that month.  Certainly if the scores are very important and if you want to minimize utilization as a game, then following the utilization pattern of <9% utilization on one card and all other cards reporting a zero balance will give you the desired results.

 

What I do try to do is keep all of my spending on my Amex charge card, which doesn't impact my utilizations.   The benefit to letting a balance report depends on the lender. If your total CL on a card is 4k, and your highest balance ever reported on the card is $350, then why would that creditor or any other creditor be tempted to give you higher limits?

 

If you can show that you use your current lines reponsibly, then you can get higher limits in the future.  Irresponsible behavior such as "maxing out" cards, and missing payments or only paying the minumums should be avoided at all costs.

 

that's my 2 cents worth!


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Registered: ‎02-12-2011

Re: Utilization Theories

I think the theories are just that and we'll never ultimately know exactly how this thing works. Honestly the scoring model is probably a better kept secret than a Coca-Cola recipe. While I think some aspects of it should be eyes only, some of it should also give people an understanding. You can't play right if you don't know the rules. 



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Jazzzy
Posts: 2,649
Registered: ‎07-29-2009

Re: Utilization Theories


bettercreditguy1 wrote:

The lower your Fico scores, the more that any little change impacts your results up or down, an increase in your AAOA, inquiries dropping, late payments ageing, etc.  For example, I am running at  17% utilization this month bc of some large purchases. My scores have not changed. What impacted my score more was using several credit cards 5, an auto and home loan. The reported negative"too many accounts with balances" showed up. After paying the cc accounts and shelfing a couple of my lesser used cards,  the negative reporting item will not show up and my score will rebound.


I agree that the number of balances matter. If I have to show a credit card balance or balances, I try to do it on the minimum number of cards. There is no reason to show a small balance on a bunch of different cards. Showing too many balances WILL impact your score negatively.

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youngandcreditwrthy
Posts: 5,981
Registered: ‎08-16-2012

Re: Utilization Theories

Yes, num of bals def matter, even if you pif! I let a couple teenyyy weennyyy bals report so that my clis would report (5.90 on my new $5900 JCP card; cli'ed from 4900 for ex.) and I got denied a cli by barclay's with that laaaammmeee excuse. I only use like 5-6 of my cards in a given month unless I need them to report a cli., and I usually pif except some 0% offers.
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algorithmslave
Posts: 68
Registered: ‎09-10-2012

Re: Utilization Theories


webhopper wrote:

Hi there!

 

I'm going to step outside the box and state that I don't follow the robotic utilization patterns unless I'm going to be applying for something in that month.  Certainly if the scores are very important and if you want to minimize utilization as a game, then following the utilization pattern of <9% utilization on one card and all other cards reporting a zero balance will give you the desired results.

 

What I do try to do is keep all of my spending on my Amex charge card, which doesn't impact my utilizations.   The benefit to letting a balance report depends on the lender. If your total CL on a card is 4k, and your highest balance ever reported on the card is $350, then why would that creditor or any other creditor be tempted to give you higher limits?

 

If you can show that you use your current lines reponsibly, then you can get higher limits in the future.  Irresponsible behavior such as "maxing out" cards, and missing payments or only paying the minumums should be avoided at all costs.

 

that's my 2 cents worth!


I agree with most of what your saying. There is, however, a minor detail that should be discussed. You mentioned a category on ones CR called "Highest Balance". I would not look to FICO for such answers, assuming you did. I would call one of the big three CB and ask if a lender has access to view that category. My understanding is, lenders do not have access to view that category. 

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