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What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?

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dang729
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What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?

I have heard that phrase used on this site a few times and wanted to get a better understanding of what you mean by that.

What's your experience on how long it was from the time you began working on your credit to the time you saw some changes and achieved your goals?
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red259
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Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@dang729 wrote:
I have heard that phrase used on this site a few times and wanted to get a better understanding of what you mean by that.

What's your experience on how long it was from the time you began working on your credit to the time you saw some changes and achieved your goals?

Depends on your goals. Keep in mind you can have many goals both short term and long term. This way you will feel like you are making progress. For example a longer term goal of mine is to break 800. A short term goal of mine was to obtain the CSP which I got this past Jan. I started my credit journey last may with a denial for the CSP. 7 to 8 months later I was instant approval for csp and multiple amex cards. This was a major accomplishment in my plans. My next short term goal is to obtain the chase ink card which I will have a decent shot at this summer. Not a sprint but a marathon means you should not expect overnight results. You will not get the best card starting out. Your score will not shoot up overnight. Some people rush out and apply for like 10 cards at once and do all sorts of damage to their credit report. Those are sprinters. People running the marathon will pickup maybe one or two cards to start and use those for six months and then pick up more. Slowly building up their credit report without risking AA and often having much more success in the long run with higher instant approvals etc. In a nutshell the saying means be patient. 

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Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
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toothgrind3r
Established Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@dang729 wrote:
I have heard that phrase used on this site a few times and wanted to get a better understanding of what you mean by that.

What's your experience on how long it was from the time you began working on your credit to the time you saw some changes and achieved your goals?

I started about 2 years ago with low 600's.  I didn't try super hard with goodwill letters or anything, I just treated the credit that I did have (a $500 secured card to start) very well...and it's gotten me to where I am now (info in sig)

 

I haven't reached my goals yet, but I'd say I am at mile 20 (of 26.2) in the marathon.

I've got some cards. Some are pretty, some are ugly. Some are more useful than others.
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jesseh
Frequent Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?

Well, that changes greatly on your situation and your goals. I think you should try to narrow it down.

The phrase just means don't go applying when it won't help: take your time.

 

Technically, changes can start to show on your credit report within a few months.

Cards: BCE 24k 5/'17 | CF 12k 10/'15 | IHG 12k 10/'15 | HH 6k 6/'18 | DS It 6k 3/'15 | TR 5k 11/'15
Scores: 760-770 | Inquiries: 0-1 | Utilization: 0-10% | AAoA: 3yrs | Bank: Ally | CU's: Navy & Pentagon
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daybreakgonesXe
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Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@red259 wrote:

@dang729 wrote:
I have heard that phrase used on this site a few times and wanted to get a better understanding of what you mean by that.

What's your experience on how long it was from the time you began working on your credit to the time you saw some changes and achieved your goals?

Depends on your goals. Keep in mind you can have many goals both short term and long term. This way you will feel like you are making progress. For example a longer term goal of mine is to break 800. A short term goal of mine was to obtain the CSP which I got this past Jan. I started my credit journey last may with a denial for the CSP. 7 to 8 months later I was instant approval for csp and multiple amex cards. This was a major accomplishment in my plans. My next short term goal is to obtain the chase ink card which I will have a decent shot at this summer. Not a sprint but a marathon means you should not expect overnight results. You will not get the best card starting out. Your score will not shoot up overnight. Some people rush out and apply for like 10 cards at once and do all sorts of damage to their credit report. Those are sprinters. People running the marathon will pickup maybe one or two cards to start and use those for six months and then pick up more. Slowly building up their credit report without risking AA and often having much more success in the long run with higher instant approvals etc. In a nutshell the saying means ber patient. 


To elaborate a little more on red's awesome response, some people on the forums see what others have accomplished, and feel the need to run to get those 10 cards through shopping cart trick, preapproval sites, and recons, when their profile isn't at the best it could be, whether it be for limited history or baddies. They do this to "get in the door", begin their credit repair journey sooner, and hope down the road creditors will see their positive history and in turn increase their limits, give them more favorable APRs, and PC/obtain better cards through that creditor.

 

Some also are in the camp that if they apply now for all those cards, down the road those inquiries will fall off and in 2+ years their credit will look better than if they spread it out. Which, yes, that is true, but I also tend to see more often than not those people in that camp wanting to apply for another nice new shiny within those two years anyways Smiley Tongue But hey, to each their own, and good for them for using their credit to their advantage!

 

I am part of the marathon group. I obtained all the cards you see below within approx 3 years, and the limits/offers got better as time went on. Started out with an Orchard secured at $200 and a JCP at $500, and you can see they changed drastically since then! I acquired a Shell gas card a little over a year later (that's still stuck, but seems to be the norm unless I want a hard pull to increase), and after a year and a half of overall credit history, I applied for my first prime lender and got $7k out the gate Smiley Surprised huzzah, the slow and study worked, even with limits much less than $5k on my other cards!

 

Some people like instant gratification and will work hard to get what they want right away. Others are very content on letting it build to achieve hassle-free results. I, personally, find the slow and steady a better method for me. I haven't applied for new credit since August, and don't plan on taking any hard pulls for credit cards for a little while with a graduate PLUS loan and potentially a car loan expected in the near future (summer). I have 7 cards I'm very happy with (errr...well, that Shell card I wouldn't mind simply sitting unactive until it closes, but my family likes buying from Shell every once in a while, so it keeps it alive), and I'm proud of my accomplishments thus far as a result of the marathon method!

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red259
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Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?

Daybreak raises a good point about the people who start off with a major spree using the shopping cart trick etc, especially when just starting out on their credit jounrneys. They really do in their score and sure they can wait two years for all those inqs to disappear (after a year they don't impact the score), but I find building a history with 2-3 cards will accomplish the same results and allow you to apply for more substantial cards in six months or a year. My fear with a large app spree to start with is that people would get declined for too many inqs and would end up having to wait longer for those better cards. I believe quality of cards is much more important than quantity.  

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Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
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daybreakgonesXe
Valued Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@red259 wrote:

Daybreak raises a good point about the people who start off with a major spree using the shopping cart trick etc, especially when just starting out on their credit jounrneys. They really do in their score and sure they can wait two years for all those inqs to disappear (after a year they don't impact the score), but I find building a history with 2-3 cards will accomplish the same results and allow you to apply for more substantial cards in six months or a year. My fear with a large app spree to start with is that people would get declined for too many inqs and would end up having to wait longer for those better cards. I believe quality of cards is much more important than quantity.  


+1

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longtimelurker
Epic Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?

I have said before that basically my definition of this is "an (almost) meaningless cliche substituting for thought"  which is maybe a *little* harsh, but that phrase is parrotted here way too much.

 

You can get acceptable credit  starting out fairly quickly by having say two cards, always paying on time, and not apping for other things.  That is NOT a marathon.   Now recovering from bad credit can take much longer, so I would be more OK with "Recovering good credit is more like a marathon than a sprint" but that's not particularly interesting, in many fields recovering from a bad situation takes a long time!

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red259
Super Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@longtimelurker wrote:

I have said before that basically my definition of this is "an (almost) meaningless cliche substituting for thought"  which is maybe a *little* harsh, but that phrase is parrotted here way too much.

 

You can get acceptable credit  starting out fairly quickly by having say two cards, always paying on time, and not apping for other things.  That is NOT a marathon.   Now recovering from bad credit can take much longer, so I would be more OK with "Recovering good credit is more like a marathon than a sprint" but that's not particularly interesting, in many fields recovering from a bad situation takes a long time!


For some people working on credit for six months to a year can feel like a marathon! Of course, fully recovering from a bankruptcy or other severe financial situations will take much much longer than a year or two so I can understand the two categories of people (rebuilders vs just starting outs) not being comparable when we talk about timelines.  

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Starting Score: EQ: 714, TU 684
Current Score: EQ: 725 7/30/13, TU 684 6/2013, Exp 828 5/2018, Last App 8/5/17
Goal Score: 800 (Achieved!) In garden until Sepetember 2019
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Open123
Super Contributor

Re: What's your definition of "not a sprint, but a marathon"?


@longtimelurker wrote:

I have said before that basically my definition of this is "an (almost) meaningless cliche substituting for thought"  which is maybe a *little* harsh, but that phrase is parrotted here way too much.


+1

 

Along with the "apply for credit only when you need it" cliche.  Not sure how it's started, but it seems like every pseudo credit sage utters forth the "it's a marathon, not a sprint; and, apply for credit only when you need it." 

 

Nothing is permanent in credit and time will fix any mistep, however eggregious, unlike in other endeavors in life.

 

Essentially, to build credit:

 

1.  Starting out - get 3 TLs asap (secured or otherwise small CL), use the card and pay your debts.  That's it.  Marathon's over in 2 years with 725 - 750 Fico.

2.  Rebuilding - No overnight fixes, and requires time for derogs to age.  I suspect, this is where the "marathon" thing comes in, the 7 years for things to drop off.

 

In general, for people without derogs or major blemishes, the marathon is 2 years.  With credit, as in life, much can be accomplished in two years, if one opts for the action now approach, as opposed to the sit and wait approach.  I've never been a big fan of slow and steady. Nothing happens for those who sit and wait, except for age and stagnation.

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