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opsrex wrote:
The burden is on the dealership/financial institution to prove that they did all due dilligence to comply with the terms of the Patriot Act. By pulling a hard inq. they are ensuring that they are in compliance. They will not get in trouble for running a credit check on you because after 9/11 we were told that sacrifices would be necessary. Whether you agree or disagree is totally irrelevant. The fact is that they can and will use a cr to cover their azz and in the Bush administration who can blame them for being overly cautious? They know that while some may not like having their credit run, when it comes to cya, it does not matter what you or I want. The dealership is protecting their own self interest, and if it was my business, I would probably be doing the same.
@opsrex wrote:
Section 314 of the Patriot Act requires that financial institutions take steps to deter money laundering. Even though it is a cash transaction, a hard pull would satisfy the requirements as far as the lender is concerned in that they took the necessary steps to comply with the requirements of section 314. That is my interpretation anyway. A civil liberties attorney may disagree.
didn't they do that to a politician in an airport in minnesota already?
TheNewWorldMan wrote:
The punishment for denizens of that circle is to be abducted by space aliens and probed and sampled and dissected and scanned...for eternity. Sans anesthesia or lubricant...
At least I hope that's whats in store for them.
opsrex wrote:
Brammy, don't yell at me for telling you what car dealers are doing. Is it right? No. Are they doing it for the reasons I stated? Yes they are. One thing that I have learned in life is that there is a big difference between "can't" and "not supposed to". Just because they are not supposed to run a credit check without your permission does not mean they can't do it. When it comes to the Patriot Act, courts are just now starting to make rules to reign things in. Whether you like it or not (and I have much dealership experience on the operations side) it is done. So, Brammy, instead of stating your opinion as fact, you should have a cashier's check made out for a new car purchase and start hitting the bricks and then come back and tell us your experiences rather than shouting at me for telling you how some dealerships are in fact operating (rightly or wrongly). BTW, if I sound irritated with you, it is because I am. The tone of your posts suggests that I am defending this practice when in fact if you read my posts, the opposite is true.
I am quoting you this time so you know that I am speaking to you. I don't see anywhere in this thread where I yelled at anyone. Tho I did use caps to stress a point.Fact: 1. Anything can be misquoted or misused to serve a purpose. I've even seen it done with the Bible.2. The law, federal, (under the FCRA) clearly states that this is overstepping the bounds.3. Nothing in the patriot act requires car dealers to pull credit.