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Hi,
Yes, I do have spreadsheets…I have simple ones all the way up to some pretty sophisticated software where I simply plug in my numbers and it will tell me what I need to buy the property for….If you send me your email I will email them to you.
As for getting started finding properties…There are so many ways. There is an abundance of deals out there. I think that many new investors (who watch too much late-night TV) are under the impression that if they decide to become investors, the “investor fairy” will drop deals out of the sky.
1. Drive the area: Spend a few weekends driving around the area. The goal for you at first is to learn about the area, the style of houses, and the average prices. Over time, you may expand your farm area, but stick with areas that contain the type of homes you plan to purchase.
It is not necessary to begin your investment career by learning every square mile of a large metropolitan area; it is important to learn the value of "typical" homes in your target areas. This knowledge will enable you to make quick decisions about whether a particular prospect is a bargain.
2. Attend open houses: Visit open houses and "for sale by owner" (FSBO) properties on weekends. Speak directly with owners and their agents. Pass out your business cards. Make friends. Word of mouth and referrals are a big part of any business.
Part of the process of finding a deal is to know how to recognize one. Take a good look at the property and its physical features. After viewing a couple of dozen open houses in the neighborhood, you will get to know the value of the properties and the different styles of houses. When someone calls you about a house in that area, you will know the value by its description.
3. Look for ugly and vacant properties: While you are driving around neighborhoods, look for vacant, ugly houses. How can you tell if a house is vacant? Look in the window! Of course, this practice may get you shot, bitten by a dog, or arrested. The very first deal I ever made was a vacant property with an out of state owner. We did the deal, but had no keys. I go over there with my ladder, climb in through a window and when I come out I’m met with 3 cops all pointing guns at me. That was a couple of years ago, I thought it would never happen again. It did. This year I evicted a tenant, who locked the doors. Again, with my trusty ladder climbed in and when I came out the Sheriff (who had moved in next door a few months prior) was standing there waiting for me to come out. Make sure you have ID and sales paperwork with you when breaking into vacant houses! Anyway, first thing to look look for are the obvious signs of vacancy: overgrown grass, no window shades, boarded windows, newspapers, garbage, mail piled up, etc.
If you are not certain whether the property is vacant, knock on the door. If the owner answers, be polite, respectful and ask if he is interested in selling. In many cases, it may be a rental property, so ask the occupants for the name and telephone number of the owner.
If the property is vacant, ask the neighbors if they know the owner. Most neighbors are helpful, as they know "rundown, vacant" houses hurt their own property values. In addition, ask the mailman; they know all of the empty houses on the block. Leave a business card and write down the address of the ugly or vacant properties. When you get home, look up the name and address of the owner.
Some cities, towns, and counties will "tag" a house with code violations. This is often a sign of a neglected or vacant property. Ask your city if you can obtain a list of such properties or find where this information is publicly recorded.
Speaking of knocking on doors. First and foremost, I’m to tell you that knocking on doors is still the best way to find deals because other investors hate to do it. The biggest problem is that investors don’t know what to say.
It's simple, just tell the homeowners that you were at the courthouse doing some research and noticed that they have a pending problem with their property or it was vacant, whatever the case may be, and you’d like to help. NEVER mention the “F” word--foreclosure. Ask them if they took care of it.
Typically they say, “yes.” Ask what they did (filed an answer, sold it, brought the back payments current, what?). You can tell by the blank look on their faces that they haven't taken care of anything. Offer your assistance and move forward with your deal.
Postcards are another favorite method. You can mail them to folks in foreclosure, people in probate; going through a divorce; in bankruptcy; and landlords who just walked out of eviction court. This information is public knowledge, and the typical investor doesn't tap into it. NEVER be typical.
For $10 I can buy a CD from the various county assessor’s offices of all the property owners in the county. I can then separate it into what category of homes I’m looking for, how long they’ve been there, but most especially out of state owners or those who are behind on taxes, etc and mail out information. Bulk mail is cheap. Do I get responses, oh yeah.
But most importantly run ads. Especially those Thrifty Nickel’s all over the place. It’s cheap to sign up for a corporate discount. I get charged $10 for any length ad and the requirement is one ad a week….$40 bucks a month. I’ll give you a little known tip: Place your ads under “money to lend.” Many times the homeowners first choice is to save their house, not sell it. Once you have them on the phone you can negotiate your way into the deal.
You will make as much money as you are willing to work for. The sky is truly the limit. The bottom line is this: There are thousands of deals out there. If you don’t make the effort to find them, other investors will.
Darr,
I don’t have enough information to really answer your question. Frist though let me tell you that working with a realtor is fine…but do not rely on him/her. A realtor is looking at making a profit by selling you a house and possibly listing another one. You’re the one who has to deal with the pitfalls if you don’t run your numbers correctly.
To try to basically answer your question on an investor, lets use a simple model - one partner puts up the money and the other manages all the other aspects of the deal. The split is 50/50 of the profits with no implied return on the capital or the labor. So, they get nothing on their money other than 50% of the profit and you get nothing on your labor other than 50% of the profit.
Profit is after all hard costs are deducted and the original funds are returned to the cash investor.
Second point that really needs to be the reference point. Lets assume we are talking about deals that are really profitable rather than very marginal.
If you used hard money you can get the funding for the deal (maybe not all of the costs or maybe cash back after all the costs). The funds will cost you something like 14% per year plus 5 points and maybe some minor other costs (title insurance for the benefit of the lender).
The point is offer a cash partner what you need to so that you can get the deal done but not more than other sources of funding will cost you if both are a valid choice in a particular deal.
Many people think hard money is too expensive. You’ll have to look at all scenarios…If you have a profitable deal you will find that a split with a partner can cost double what hard money would have cost. If the deal is not able to be financed with hard money it could mean the deal is too skinny so using an equity partner is not going to help. Find a better deal. Remember you make your money going into a deal, not selling.
And another hint of advice - NEVER say "yes" to the first offer after you make you're offer...