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FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

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Anonymous
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Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news


@Anonymous wrote:

You get a kudos for having enough moral fiber

to share unpleasant but essential information

with the very people who need it. Smiley Happy

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"


Agreed!

Message 11 of 26
MattH
Senior Contributor

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

 

Here is a PDF from Fannie Mae about what they term "updates to the standard pricing requirements for mortgage loans with certain risk characteristics," meaning higher rates for many borrowers:

 

Fannie Mae Article

 

 

TU 791 02/11/2013, EQ 800 1/29/2011 , EX Plus FAKO 812, EX Vantage Score 955 3/19/2010 wife's EQ 9/23/2009 803
EX always was my highest when we could pull all three
Always remember: big print giveth, small print taketh away
If you dunno what tanstaafl means you must Google it
Message 12 of 26
fishbjc
Senior Contributor

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

so in a nutshell, the new *fha minimum* is really 620 OR you really get raked over the coals.

 

Is there any consideration given as far as larger downpayments?  What's the max downpayment on FHA allowed?

Message 13 of 26
Anonymous
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Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

Uh oh!  Does that also impact refinancing (FHA Streamline)?  Broker said he locked me at at 5.00% but now I'm worried..........because my FICO score took a pretty big HIT when the mortgage reported.

Message 14 of 26
Anonymous
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Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

Hi Suzie, Smiley Happy 

 

You don't "qualify" for an FHA Streamline the same way

you do for an original mortgage. They just verify that your

mortgage is in good standing and that you've made your

payments on time. As long as you've done that (especially

since your lender already locked in the rate) you're fine...

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"

Message Edited by CanDoAttitude on 01-22-2009 03:09 AM
Message 15 of 26
Anonymous
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Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

A couple of questions for either Dallas or Matt,

 

First of all, thanks for posting that pdf chart, Matt.

It's very helpful, and not all consumers get to see

this type of information. So a BIG Thank You! Smiley Happy

 

When you pull up the pdf chart and look under

LLPA's by Credit Score/LTV, there's a "1" next to it,

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and it says that

these price adjustments do not apply to the following:

 

-- Loans with an amortization term of 15yrs or less

-- MyCommunityMortgage loan products

-- Most Government Loans

 

Question: Since "most government loans" won't be effected,

does that mean FHA, VA and USDA loan prices will stay

the same?

 

And a quick followup: Using this same chart, it says that

applicants with a below 620 FICO score who want a loan

to value of 75% or greater will have a price adjustment of

3%. What does that mean exactly? Are they referring to

someone with a sub-620 score paying a rate that's 3%

higher than someone with a 720+ score? Or does it mean

that people with sub-620 scores will see mortgage rates

go up 3% higher than what are currently available to them?

 

Thanks in advance for the clarification. This is really

terrific information.

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"

Message Edited by CanDoAttitude on 01-22-2009 03:16 AM
Message 16 of 26
MattH
Senior Contributor

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news


@Anonymous wrote:

A couple of questions for either Dallas or Matt,

 

First of all, thanks for posting that pdf chart, Matt.

It's very helpful, and not all consumers get to see

this type of information. So a BIG Thank You! Smiley Happy

 

When you pull up the pdf chart and look under

LLPA's by Credit Score/LTV, there's a "1" next to it,

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and it says that

these price adjustments do not apply to the following:

 

-- Loans with an amortization term of 15yrs or less

-- MyCommunityMortgage loan products

-- Most Government Loans

 

Question: Since "most government loans" won't be effected,

does that mean FHA, VA and USDA loan prices will stay

the same?

 

And a quick followup: Using this same chart, it says that

applicants with a below 620 FICO score who want a loan

to value of 75% or greater will have a price adjustment of

3%. What does that mean exactly? Are they referring to

someone with a sub-620 score paying a rate that's 3%

higher than someone with a 720+ score? Or does it mean

that people with sub-620 scores will see mortgage rates

go up 3% higher than what are currently available to them?

 

Thanks in advance for the clarification. This is really

terrific information.

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"

Message Edited by CanDoAttitude on 01-22-2009 03:16 AM

 

Glad you found that PDF useful, but I'll have to let Dallas or somebody else answer your questions because I am not a morgage expert: my total lifetime experience with mortgages comprises one condo purchase and one refinancing when rates dropped.  I am pretty good at finding information on the Internet; however its interpretation had best be done by those with actual experience! 

 

Message Edited by MattH on 01-22-2009 07:20 AM
TU 791 02/11/2013, EQ 800 1/29/2011 , EX Plus FAKO 812, EX Vantage Score 955 3/19/2010 wife's EQ 9/23/2009 803
EX always was my highest when we could pull all three
Always remember: big print giveth, small print taketh away
If you dunno what tanstaafl means you must Google it
Message 17 of 26
DallasLoanGuy
Super Contributor

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news


@Anonymous wrote:

A couple of questions for either Dallas or Matt,

 

First of all, thanks for posting that pdf chart, Matt.

It's very helpful, and not all consumers get to see

this type of information. So a BIG Thank You! Smiley Happy

 

When you pull up the pdf chart and look under

LLPA's by Credit Score/LTV, there's a "1" next to it,

Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and it says that

these price adjustments do not apply to the following:

 

-- Loans with an amortization term of 15yrs or less

-- MyCommunityMortgage loan products

-- Most Government Loans

 

Question: Since "most government loans" won't be effected,

does that mean FHA, VA and USDA loan prices will stay

the same?

 

And a quick followup: Using this same chart, it says that

applicants with a below 620 FICO score who want a loan

to value of 75% or greater will have a price adjustment of

3%. What does that mean exactly? Are they referring to

someone with a sub-620 score paying a rate that's 3%

higher than someone with a 720+ score? Or does it mean

that people with sub-620 scores will see mortgage rates

go up 3% higher than what are currently available to them?

 

Thanks in advance for the clarification. This is really

terrific information.

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"

Message Edited by CanDoAttitude on 01-22-2009 03:16 AM

1. <620 will pay higher rates if they can get a loan. for now, lenders will still do them below that, but at a premium.
2. when it says that these do not apply to govt loans, it doesnt mention that govt loans have their own LLPAs
3. 3% on that chart represents the delivery charge to fannie mae. so the client can either take a higher rate or pay 3% of the loan amount on the discount line. right now, yield spread premiums are so low, that i would NOT be able to roll it all into the loan. it would be best to just pay it up front. in the past, rolling that 3% delivery charge into the loan would result in a 1 - 1.5% higher rate. basically, we call this 3% to the 'price' of the rate. not 3% add to the 'rate'. 
 
 

 

Retired Lender
Message 18 of 26
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

Thanks, Dallas. It's much clearer now. Smiley Happy

 

CanDo

 

"The right attitude is everything"

Message 19 of 26
homewardbound
Contributor

Re: FHA & FICO news.... Not good news

Dallas,

 

Thanks for the information.  I have a middle score of 648, and a Ch 7 BK that was discharged June 2007.  I've been told I will qualify for an FHA 2 years from discharge with a score of 620+.

 

Do you think I could have problems qualifying in light of the declining economy?

Message 20 of 26
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