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I understand your point but seriously, did you consider the OTHER side of the table? The lender who is LOANING you 80% to own your own home = they are in business to collect profit from your INTEREST, if you dont pay your monthly payment they are in a double loss.
Also, if after 10 years something DOES happen dont forget you have a variety of options available - credit, HELOC, and a 2nd mortgage..
Now the standards of owning a home are becoming strict (or normal might I say) that they do an extensive check before approving loan - from employment verificiation to DITI ratios...
And a home is a worthwhile risk having said ALL that any day over renting!
@FicoPower wrote:
Isn't that the biggest risk in the world? Also, do they only foreclose on you are three months of nonpayment? I just think it is scary to think that 10+ years from now if you are always on time and something horrible happens, you can lose your house and savings. All of my life unexpected things have happened that I tried to work very hard to get over but eventually the inevitable happened. So it has reached a point where I am just waiting for bad things to happen.
I understand the lender's point of view, I am not asking for special favors. I just think that it is too scary to get into a situation like that where you can lose all of the thousands of dollars that you put into a home. I understand that is the best option and that it is a part of life, but there were times in my life when I didn't have enough money and not because I didn't plan for things, but because of unthinkable financial problems all hitting at once. For example, back when I was 20 years old, my dad had to return his car and take the bus to work, and at the same time my car broke down and I couldn't afford the $800 to fix it.
So I had no transportation to work and I couldn't get a ride so I had to quit. So I had to sit at home, calling around for jobs that were unavailable. I ran up my credit and used up all of my savings. Fortunately I have about $35,000 in the bank and 5 credit cards now, I had to earn all of that money myself, not a hand me down inheritance or anything since my family are losers. I just don't want to fall into those situations where you can be prepared for the worse but sometimes you have no choice.
*edit* I just read your post now Wonderin, kudos to you and thanks
@Anonymous wrote:
And FTR, typically, foreclosure on a home takes *waaaaayyyy* longer than 3 months. 9 months to a year is more like it. At least, in our neck of the woods, it is. YMMV.
Really? Around my part of the world it seems to happen like clockwork. After that third payment is missed *bam* you're in foreclosure. Of course, neither me or any close friends or relatives have had first hand experience, thank God, so I'm speaking entirely on secondhand knowledge.
But Fico, think of the alternatives. If you buy a house and get foreclosed on in 10 years, you will lose all your equity, sure. Now, if you hadn't bought a house and instead rented for those same 10 years, you wouldn't have any equity to lose. Your landlord would have all the equity . I am in the process of closing on a house the same size as the one I've been renting, but in a MUCH MUCH nicer part of town at the end of a dead-end street and my mortgage with taxes and insurance included is going to be $100 less than my monthly rent payment was.
So you can either pay monthly to build equity and risk losing it all, or "play it safe" and give your money to someone else, where it will do nothing for you. Just something to consider. I'm not saying that there is no risk with owning a home, you could buy a home and find out it has major problems that you are stuck with, whereas with a rental you would just move out. Things like that, but if you find a real keeper, it's worth it.
@thrasher865 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
And FTR, typically, foreclosure on a home takes *waaaaayyyy* longer than 3 months. 9 months to a year is more like it. At least, in our neck of the woods, it is. YMMV.Really? Around my part of the world it seems to happen like clockwork. After that third payment is missed *bam* you're in foreclosure. Of course, neither me or any close friends or relatives have had first hand experience, thank God, so I'm speaking entirely on secondhand knowledge.
FicoPower -
Determining if you can afford the home really has many factors.
1. First is your down payment. If you have the money for down, this is step 1.
2. Income and income stability. Do you have the income within reasonable debt to income ratios?
3. Credit. Do you have the credit to obtain the loan at reasonable rates.
4. Savings. Will you be "broke" after your down payment and closing? If so, you are not ready, IMO.
5. Can you save money after you close? If not, you cannot afford the house, IMO. You need less house or continue to rent.
6. Do you have an emergency fund of minimum 3 months, but need to get to 6 months? If not, wait until you do. Your down payment should not be from emergency funds. Just as you mentioned, if an emergency comes up and you don't have the funds, you lose the car, home, credit, and take the bus while living in a cheap apartment.
Far too many people treat buying a home like rent. We should be concerned with our potential risk, but we should be concerned about the lenders risk, that's just the honest truth and way to do business. Your concern for the lender is part of your "Good Credit" and what good credit means.
As for equity, no you don't automatically forfeit it. If the foreclosure sale generates more money than the loan balance and fees, you get the difference as your equity. If the home has appreciated over the years (like normal, not right now) then you are also protected partially by that.
Also, if you have emergency funds and come to a point that you know you won't be able to afford the home long term, you have the money and time to SELL the house and get your equity out. It is only when a home is liquidated that you lose your proverbial ass in the deal. If you have 3 to 6 months, you stand a much better chance of finding a buyer. Or you could move out to a cheap apartment and consider renting. The point is, you have choices if you plan properly and make sure you aren't rushing in unprepared for the true responsibilities and risks associated with home ownership.
It is good you are not taking this decision lightly. Save your down. Save your emergency funds. Only buy what you can afford (which means in addition to your normal savings...equity is not savings) and live within your means.