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Overall, looks pretty good.
Keep things simple and don't over think. Stick with index funds and avoid bonds. Bonds will underperform for a long time.
@youdontkillmoney wrote:
@tacpoly wrote:There are a few things I would do differently from you:
1. I wouldn't bother contributing after tax money to the traditional IRA because there really isn't any advantage to doing it specially if you cannot do a conversion to a Roth because of maximum income limits. Here is why: when you finally take distribution from your traditional IRA, all your gains will be taxed as ordinary income (regardless of whether the original contributions were before or after tax). Why is this bad? Because if you invested the same amount into individual securities outside the IRA all the gains you take out (after 1 year) will be taxed as long-term capital gains, which I believe is much lower than ordinary income tax rate. Investing outside the IRA also gives you more flexibility in terms of not having to pay the 10% penalty for withdrawal.
2. I would be consulting a financial planner.
3. Do you already own a house or is that in the future?
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Thanks for advice.
I will have to consider your advice on contributing to the Trad IRA given what you said, I suppose you are right that if I invested in a regular brokerage account it also is tax deferred until I cash out, same with Trad IRA but in a non retirement account I have more flexiblity to withdrawal; the income limitations may have neutralized any IRA advantages. I suppose one good thing about the IRA is it "forces" me not to sell or touch it (except for one time $10K max. withdrawal for buying a home, but stil lpay taxes just no penalty)
As for a home, been trying to avoid it as I do not want to stay in Cali, but roots are too many and strog here from work to family and friends so plan to make a first home purchase in 2016, mid to late 2016.
I try to put a certain amount of after tax income into tax exempt investiments such as municipal bonds. Yield might not be high but unlike bond funds, your principal is safe Also, ROI is known if you take the bond(s) to maturity unless the bond defaults. I have had some success with individual bonds in my after tax accounts. Conversely, 401k bond funds have been a constant source of disappointment.
I am not a conservative investor but have come to realize individual bonds have some benefits.Bonds do not have the long term growth potential of stocks but can provide steady income and security of capital if held to maturity
Bond ladders (say 5 year bonds) are also worth considering as part of an investment portfolio.
An Investment Technique - Bond Ladder
Richard at a healthy age 55 has accumulated a respectable portfolio and wishes to invest $200,000 of that portfolio in Treasuries. He would like to get the higher rate associated with a five year maturity but is concerned about possibly needing some of the money sooner. One option for Richard is to ladder the bonds as follows:
After one year, Richard redeems the first $40,000 and buys a five year bond. The original two year bond is now only one year away from maturity. In fact, each year $40,000 will reach maturity. If Richard uses this $40,000 to buy a 5 year bond each year, in four years all of his bonds will be 5 year bonds. He will be getting five year rates on all of his bonds and will have $40,000 reaching maturity each year.
$40,000 buys one year bonds (Treasury Bills)
$40,000 buys two year bonds (Treasury Notes)
$40,000 buys three year bonds (Treasury Notes)
$40,000 buys four year bonds (Treasury Notes)
$40,000 buys five year bonds (Treasury Notes)
what will happen to bond investments if interest rates go up ? Is the principle still safe ?
@wa3more wrote:what will happen to bond investments if interest rates go up ? Is the principle still safe ?
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Price of bonds will drop which means your yield or rate of return on bonds held rises. Yield or rate of return of a bond = coupon rate/price of bond. So when the price of a bond rises, all else constant, yield rises. Example: Let 2 = yield, 4 = coupon rate and price of bond = 2. So we have 2 = 4/2. When price of bonds drop from 2 to 1, we have: 4 = 4/1. So the yield or return on a bond you hold goes up, better for you. Source: http://www.investinginbonds.com/learnmore.asp?catid=3&id=57
Is the principal still safe...government bonds are safer than say corporate bonds of a private company like IBM, but bondholders in the USA get paid before stockholders in case of a bankruptcy. So bond principal is "safer" relatively speaking than more riskier investments like stocks.
@wa3more wrote:what will happen to bond investments if interest rates go up ? Is the principle still safe ?
If you purchase fixed duration bonds and you keep the bonds until they mature, then you get yout principal + interest as specified when the bond was issued.
With bond funds value of the fund can drop below initial investment cost. Bond funds are not really "safe" investments. Generally, individual "high grade" bonds are extremely low risk and many in-state municipal bonds have an added benefit of state tax exemption
@Thomas_Thumb wrote:
@wa3more wrote:what will happen to bond investments if interest rates go up ? Is the principle still safe ?
If you purchase fixed duration bonds and you keep the bonds until they mature, then you get yout principal + interest as specified when the bond was issued.
With bond funds value of the fund can drop below initial investment cost. Bond funds are not really "safe" investments. Generally, individual "high grade" bonds are extremely low risk and many in-state municipal bonds have an added benefit of state tax exemption
Yeah but IG bonds aren't where the money is at especially right now, money is still cheaper than dirt.
Money with bonds currently, have to be more speculative imo.
@Revelate wrote:
@Thomas_Thumb wrote:
@wa3more wrote:what will happen to bond investments if interest rates go up ? Is the principle still safe ?
If you purchase fixed duration bonds and you keep the bonds until they mature, then you get yout principal + interest as specified when the bond was issued.
With bond funds value of the fund can drop below initial investment cost. Bond funds are not really "safe" investments. Generally, individual "high grade" bonds are extremely low risk and many in-state municipal bonds have an added benefit of state tax exemption
Yeah but IG bonds aren't where the money is at especially right now, money is still cheaper than dirt.
Money with bonds currently, have to be more speculative imo.
I don't disagree that there are much higher return options than bonds that have fairly low risk given current market conditions..
That being said, the point was re-allocating a portion of retirement assets toward "fixed return" bonds is a reasonable alternative to re-allocating assets to a guaranteed return pension fund - particularly if the pension does not offer inflation protection.
i think with rates going up soon, and will continue to do so to revert to a normal level, cash will be a better bet than bonds in the next couple years maybe longer.
@wa3more wrote:i think with rates going up soon, and will continue to do so to revert to a normal level, cash will be a better bet than bonds in the next couple years maybe longer.
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I was looking for places to stash cash for retirement as in what tax deferred retirement accounts am I not taking advantage of. As for how to invest, at 41 years old I put 30% in large cap, 20% in mid cap, and 50% in a mix of internal and small caps. Fairly aggressive port. mix. I am fairly young and have time to ride out market flucntuations in small and international equities. Zero in bonds and cash. Maybe at 55 when I start to ease into retirement it'll be cash/bonds.
If I had extra cash to put somewhere, I would do it in this order :
- 3 to 6 months in a liquid savings account.
-Then any credit card debt or other debt with relatively high interest rate should be paid down. Student loans, car loans etc.
-Fund 401k up to company match.
-Then put rest in Roth IRA.