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Oyiwaa
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High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

Hello,

 

I have 5 cards now, with the following limits, most of which are about 90% maxed (mainly from post-mortgage shopping, moving, home repairs, kids going to college, etc), hence a very high utilization across the board:

 

  • Discover: $5000 Limit
  • Chase Amazon Visa:  $2500
  • BestBuy Citi Mastercard:  $2000
  • DCU Visa:  $3000
  • BarclayCard:  $1000
  • about 4 other store cards (Macy''s, Khols, JCPenny, Lowe and HomeDepot) with limits raning between $300 and $100

I have no lates (within the past 3 years), and waiting for some old charge-offs to drop off later this year and next. Thankfully, I have a part-time job now, so it is helping meet my expenses without resorting to the credit cards.

 

I have $5000 from my tax return to distribute on these cards.  I intend to put $3k on the Discover, and $500 each across all the 4 other cards (Amazon, BB, DCU and Barclays).

 

Is this a reasonable way  to pay out the cards?  I want to gradually reduce my utilization and increase my socres, and would appreciate inputs into a strategy that helps achieve this.

 

Thanks - Oyiwaa

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Anonymous
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

Going from advice here, I would zero out as many cards as possible and work to pay down the remainder.  Supposedly there's a ding when more than half of your cards carry a balance. Once you get things more under control, you can get further benefits from getting the remaining cards down below 30%, until you're left with one card below 10%, that's the optimum score benefit. More senior members are welcome to correct me if I'm misinterpreting this -- and please do, because this is the tactic I'm putting in place myself, tomorrow.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:

Going from advice here, I would zero out as many cards as possible and work to pay down the remainder.  Supposedly there's a ding when more than half of your cards carry a balance. Once you get things more under control, you can get further benefits from getting the remaining cards down below 30%, until you're left with one card below 10%, that's the optimum score benefit. More senior members are welcome to correct me if I'm misinterpreting this -- and please do, because this is the tactic I'm putting in place myself, tomorrow.


Pay off as many as possible!!!!

 

Preferably the highest interest first! 

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Anonymous
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

This may help:

How to pay off balances faster, while immediately improving scores by reducing UTI%.


This is a strategy for low to moderate credit card balances that are less than or equal to ones monthly income.

For example - a credit card with 24% interest has a 2k limit and is maxed out at Christmas time, and monthly income is 2K, and the monthly budget is $1900. The extra $100 is applied to the card each month. It will take over 2 years to pay the balance off, you'll pay upwards of $400 or more in interest, and FICO scores suffer signifigantly in the first year of the payment schedule because of the high UTI%. This is the payment strategy most people use. It works like this:

 

Lets assume the due date is the 1st and the statement closes the 3rd day of the month and the person is paid on the 1st and 15th of the month.


We'll sart out at the first of the month, Jan 1, the $100 payment from last month has already been paid, so the current balance is $1900. Normally they would begin paying their bills and making their monthly purchases with their paycheck, the statement would close Jan 3 and $40 interest will be added to their balance, for a total of $1940. On Jan 15th they continue this, spending $900 and make a $100 payment on the card, reducing the balance to $1840. When the next stament closes on Feb 3, another $38 interest will be added to the balance, bringing it back up to $1877, another mid-month payment on Feb 15 reduces it to $1777, and on March 3rd another $37 in interest is added, bringing the balance to $1814. At this point, three payments of $100 have been made (in Dec, Jan, and Feb), but only $186 of the balance has been paid down - $114 has been eaten by Interest.

 

Here is a much better, much faster way - and it doesn't cost you a dime.

Jan 1st arrives, instead of paying monthly bills with our $1000 paycheck, we pay $1000 on the card balance, bringing it down to $900, and on Jan 3rd, the statement closes and $40 interest is added for a Statement balance of $940. Then after the statement closes we use the card for all of our monthly spending, cutting it off when it hits $1940 (less if possible) until Jan 15th, when we pay another $1000 on it, bringing it back to $940. Because the last statement balance was $940, and we have paid $1000 on it before the due date, there will be no interest added at the statement closing. We use the card for the second half of our monthly spending, $900, bringing the balance back up to $1840, and on Feb 1st, again we pay $1000 on it, bringing the statement balance down to $840. We pay the first half of February's expenses on the card, limiting it to $1840 by Feb 15th, when we drop another $1000 on it, to bring it down to $840. Second half of Feb adds another $900 in monthly spending, bringing it up to $1740 and on March 1st, we pay it down to $740. Again, because more than the previous Statement balance has been paid, no interest will be added on March 3rd, for a statement balance of $740. You can see that by October 3rd our statement balance will show an "ideal" UTI% of $40. And We've done it in only ten months vs. 24+ months with the "conventional" payment method, all without sacrificing anything, no trimming the budget, or otherwise trying to find extra dollars each month. AND at the outset, we reduced our UTI% from 90%+ to under 50% in the VERY FIRST MONTH. Scoring increases early on make CLI's much more likely within the first 6 months, and if it happens to be a reward card like a Capital One QS/QS1 - you can chop off two months and finish in August if the rewards are used to reduce the balances, or you can just treat your self to a nice night out, with nearly $300 in rewards.

 

Yes, it takes planning. And yes, it take some discipline, but virtually ANYONE can do this, if they choose to - and save themselves a boatload of money in the process.

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Oyiwaa
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

Thanks for all your responses.

 

Norman.  I like your approach and trying to get my head around it.  So, let's assume my regular montly salary has been set up to pay the mortgage and car loan automatically.  So on the first, that account is wiped out.  I can't touch it.

 

However,  I think I can use this strategy with my parttime job.

-- Let's say I earn about $1000 very two weeks: paid on the 10th and the 25th.

-- My DCU card has a limit of $3000, and current balance is $2900.  
-- Account closing date is usually about 20th, and due date is 15th. So January's closing date was 1/20, with payment due on 2/15.  I paid $100 this month, but I am sure most of it went to interest (BTW: last year alone, i paid about $500 in interest on this card; and so far in 2016, I've paid about $105 in interest).

So, can your suggested strategy be applicable here, or I have to use a card with a lower limit relative to my monthly part-time income of $2K?  For example, my BarclaysCard has a limit of $750; current balance = $527. Closing date=2/12; Due Date = 3/9; APR=25.24%

 

thanks - Oy

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Anonymous
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@Oyiwaa wrote:

Thanks for all your responses.

 

Norman.  I like your approach and trying to get my head around it.  So, let's assume my regular montly salary has been set up to pay the mortgage and car loan automatically.  So on the first, that account is wiped out.  I can't touch it.

 

However,  I think I can use this strategy with my parttime job.

-- Let's say I earn about $1000 very two weeks: paid on the 10th and the 25th.

-- My DCU card has a limit of $3000, and current balance is $2900.  
-- Account closing date is usually about 20th, and due date is 15th. So January's closing date was 1/20, with payment due on 2/15.  I paid $100 this month, but I am sure most of it went to interest (BTW: last year alone, i paid about $500 in interest on this card; and so far in 2016, I've paid about $105 in interest).

So, can your suggested strategy be applicable here, or I have to use a card with a lower limit relative to my monthly part-time income of $2K?  For example, my BarclaysCard has a limit of $750; current balance = $527. Closing date=2/12; Due Date = 3/9; APR=25.24%

 

thanks - Oy


It can be used in just about any situation. With multiple cards, you just apply it to one card at a time until you get it to $0, then switch to the next card. LIke I said it takes planning, because you have to co-ordinate payday schedules to card cycles, but once you get into it, its really easy.

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Anonymous
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

Ok you really don't say if certain cards have CRAZY % rates vs the other cards...

 

Ex: You said most are maxed but your 1st thought is to throw 60% at your Discover

but you also said that the DCU could actually be paid off with that $3k ($2900 Bal)

if you can pay off 1 or 2 of those cards totally and then attack the other 2-3 that 'might' ber the best course.

 

Again, depending upon % rates because the goal must be to pay this debt off, as quickly and cheaply as possible ...

you may even have the ability to BT to a lower % towards the debt left after your big pay down

(Discover generally allows for a 12 month 0% BT of your open CL...so by ex: if they are paid off the CL could be used as the

landing place for a 0% payoff for the rest or it could be another vendor just an example could be whomever but the balances

must be paid thru a medium with the least amount of % so that you can get out from under that debt or you're just GIVING AWAY money.

 

You may have what 'feels' like a car payment for awhile but go ahead and do it or you'll never get out from under the debt and by paying piece meal you wind up

paying even more anyway + getting used to making a solid payment will get you in the practice of paying big chunks going forward to not

get caught....so much over your head later in life.

 

Forget about 'rewards' and all that crap get that debt's butt kicked lol

 

Best of Luck

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trnl2016
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

I can't claim to know the best way to go about this, as I'm no expert... but I can tell you that I would personally pay off as many accounts as possible. I like the feeling of having a few cards where I've "accomplished" something (paying them off), and then just managing fewer payments going forward.

Therefore, if I were to humbly make a suggestion, it would be to pay off your 4 store cards (which generally have insane interest rates anyway), then tackle the next smallest balances until you run out of money.
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Anonymous
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@trnl2016 wrote:
I can't claim to know the best way to go about this, as I'm no expert... but I can tell you that I would personally pay off as many accounts as possible. I like the feeling of having a few cards where I've "accomplished" something (paying them off), and then just managing fewer payments going forward.

Therefore, if I were to humbly make a suggestion, it would be to pay off your 4 store cards (which generally have insane interest rates anyway), then tackle the next smallest balances until you run out of money.

That would probably be my plan as well. Get as many to $0 up front, then start using the strategy above.

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Oyiwaa
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Re: High Utilization - How to Pay Cards

Thanks very much, Gemini101 et al:

 

I agree, it is wise to also take the APRs into consideration.  I dug out my records, and here is my snapshots of APRs and limits so far:

 

BarclaysMC = ($750 Limit;  25.24%)
CapitalOneMC ($400 Limit; 25%)
CapitaloneMC-Secured ($700 Limit; 20%)
Amazon Chase ($2500 Limit;  22.49%)
BestBuy MC:  ($2000 Limit; 18.24%)
DCU Visa ($3000 Limit; 18%)
WellsFargo Visa ($800 Limit; 17.74%)
Discover: ($5000 Limit; 15% APR)
AmericanExpress-Costco ($2000 Limit; 15.59%)

So, given these, what would be a good strategy? Pay off Barclays ($750), Amazazon Chase($2500) and the two CapitalOne cards ($1100) ? 

 

Thanks - Oyiwaa

 

 

 

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