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Re: My score dropped

Should I just order another score watch report to compare?

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Re: My score dropped

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I found the culprit after ordering a new score watch report. Arrow is now reporting as an account and not as a collection agency. Now my past due amount went from $143 to about $3,100.


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Re: My score dropped


jgbkab wrote:

I found the culprit after ordering a new score watch report. Arrow is now reporting as an account and not as a collection agency. Now my past due amount went from $143 to about $3,100.



That's a big leap. Are they saying you owe more?

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Okay,I finally figured out what happened. I started the DV process about two weeks ago. Arrow signed the CMRRR on last Thursday and has not DVed yet but in the mean time they started reporting to EQ as a factoring company. This moved it from a collection account to a credit account. Not only is it reporting as 120+ days past due, it's reporting as I'm using 100 percent of my available credit. That's why my score watch said

 

  • You have a public record or collection in addition to a serious delinquency on your credit report.
  • You have multiple accounts showing missed payments or derogatory descriptions.
  • You have a recent public record or collection on your credit report.
  • You’ve recently missed a payment or the date of your most recent missed payment is unknown.

Now this cannot be legal. First to update after receiving the DV CMRRR and then updating incorrect information to the CRA. I've read that factoring companies only buy debt that's in good standing and CA/JDB buy the debt that has been written off. Is there something that I'm missing?


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llecs wrote:

To the OP, a dispute has no impact on your FICO if that dispute was with a CA or PR. Since this was a medical CA, a dispute wouldn't have resulted in a loss due to that specific TL. Now if other items were disputed, like within an OC account, then that's different. Also, once verified or updated, sometimes the CA can update in a way that could possibly hurt. It depends on what changes. OP, I would check for other items that could have changed, like a baddie updating, change in CC util, dropped accounts, added accounts, etc.

 


kjm79 wrote:

A dispute can drop your score.  For example, if you dispute the oldest account on your report, that account is kind of "invisible" for scoring purposes.  And while the account is invisible, it is no longer your oldest account and your length of history and AAoA dropped.  Another example could be you dispute an account with a cl of $30,000.  While disputed you lose this available limit and that could wreak havoc on your UTIL.  

 

I don't think I've heard or read that disputing collections can lower your score, hopefully someone else can add to that. 


 

Close. A dispute only removes certain aspects of an OC account, like the payment history, but will continue to score the OC's length of history, your mix of credit, your AAoA, scoring bucket, etc.



llecs:  I disputed a collection agency that has 8 or 9 medical collections.  I disputed to get the balance to report as zero as I paid them.  *(Stupid thing I did but I was a fico-virgin then).  Anyway, I lost a point.  And there was no other change.   The score dropped and FICO report said it was because of the change from "professional credit service".

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Re: My score dropped


jgbkab wrote:

Okay,I finally figured out what happened. I started the DV process about two weeks ago. Arrow signed the CMRRR on last Thursday and has not DVed yet but in the mean time they started reporting to EQ as a factoring company. This moved it from a collection account to a credit account. Not only is it reporting as 120+ days past due, it's reporting as I'm using 100 percent of my available credit. That's why my score watch said

 

  • You have a public record or collection in addition to a serious delinquency on your credit report.
  • You have multiple accounts showing missed payments or derogatory descriptions.
  • You have a recent public record or collection on your credit report.
  • You’ve recently missed a payment or the date of your most recent missed payment is unknown.

Now this cannot be legal. First to update after receiving the DV CMRRR and then updating incorrect information to the CRA. I've read that factoring companies only buy debt that's in good standing and CA/JDB buy the debt that has been written off. Is there something that I'm missing?



I'd take SW alerts with a grain of salt. I once got an alert that my FICO score increased 20 points because I added an inquiry. We all know that adding inquiries does not improve your score. However, I had a baddie drop that SW wouldn't have picked up on that led to the increase.

 

Per utilization, again you may want to confirm that. CAs don't factor into util. However, def. worth a second check to see how your FICO report reads it. IIRC, if you didn't want to look at a new FICO report, EQ correctly calculates util via their services.

 

I can't speak to the legality. I don't know if it is intentional or if the CRAs make them report that way. FICO reads it as a CA no matter where it reports and ignores the late (so as long as it reads it as a CA). Factoring companies are the same as CAs as pointed out, and treat them just like any CA. Arrow is a CA anyway.

 

But I can't get over that balance change. Worth a second and third look.

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Booner72 wrote:

 

llecs:  I disputed a collection agency that has 8 or 9 medical collections.  I disputed to get the balance to report as zero as I paid them.  *(Stupid thing I did but I was a fico-virgin then).  Anyway, I lost a point.  And there was no other change.   The score dropped and FICO report said it was because of the change from "professional credit service".


I'm not familiar with that. Do you recall where that comment was at?

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Re: My score dropped

llecs, I meant my past due balances went to $3100. CA accounts aren't figured into the past due balances are they?


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jgbkab wrote:

llecs, I meant my past due balances went to $3100. CA accounts aren't figured into the past due balances are they?



Ah...got it. I thought Arrow decided your new balance should be $3100.

 

No, FICO scores it as a CA. The balance could increase by $10,000, and the score would stay the same. Again, though, look to 100% confirm that it isn't listed in your utilization on your FICO report. I did see and confirm one example in here of an MCM account, a CA no less, that factored into the poster's util.

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Re: My score dropped

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