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4 pt gain... then 3 pts...then another 4 pts...

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mitchblue
Valued Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...

I have two cards Discover and Kohls which had zero balances. On the reasons why credit might make a positive or negative change, the zero balances were on the negative because they were doormat for 3 months. So I made one small purchase with each, about 10 bucks. 3 weeks later they went to the positive side and my score went from 716 to 736. So take that fwiw.

FICO® 8 Scores 821 FICO® 9 Equifax 826 (Updated 02-7-23)
Message 11 of 24
TRC_WA
Senior Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then 3 pts...then another 4 pts...

You lost me. ^

I only decided to start letting my cards report $0 a couple months ago... And now I am seeing score increases as each account reports.

Previously I was letting small sub $100 balances report because for some reason I was thinking that letting small balances report with each statement was a good thing. Now that I know that to be false I will be continuing to PIF BEFORE the statement cuts instead of after.

FICO8 current as of : 4-17-24 EQ: 724 TU: 707 EX: 706
Hard INQs last 12 months: EQ: 5 | TU: 8 | EX: 9
Verizon Visa $8500 Amex Delta Reserve $10,000 Care Credit $18,000
NFCU CashRewards $7500 Apple Card $7000 Best Buy $8000 Amazon $5000
NFCU auto loan (2022 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands - Cactus Gray) 6.95%
NFCU motorcycle loan (2024 Harley Davidson Road Glide - Alpine Green & Chrome) 9.45%
Total CL: $64,000 --- Total CC UTI: 27% --- AAoA: 5.5 years --- Income: $200k
Last app: 4-6-24
Message 12 of 24
mitchblue
Valued Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then 3 pts...then another 4 pts...

^^ just trying to say you shouldn't assume it went up because the balance went to zero. In fact I'm almost positive that isn't the reason..

FICO® 8 Scores 821 FICO® 9 Equifax 826 (Updated 02-7-23)
Message 13 of 24
TRC_WA
Senior Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then 3 pts...then another 4 pts...

It's pretty ironic then that I get 3 pairs of Scorewatch notifications and all 3 were a balance from $100 or so down to $0 notification paired with a score increase notification.

 

I don't think it's an age issue because 2 of the accounts are like 9 months old... No 1st birthday yet.

FICO8 current as of : 4-17-24 EQ: 724 TU: 707 EX: 706
Hard INQs last 12 months: EQ: 5 | TU: 8 | EX: 9
Verizon Visa $8500 Amex Delta Reserve $10,000 Care Credit $18,000
NFCU CashRewards $7500 Apple Card $7000 Best Buy $8000 Amazon $5000
NFCU auto loan (2022 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands - Cactus Gray) 6.95%
NFCU motorcycle loan (2024 Harley Davidson Road Glide - Alpine Green & Chrome) 9.45%
Total CL: $64,000 --- Total CC UTI: 27% --- AAoA: 5.5 years --- Income: $200k
Last app: 4-6-24
Message 14 of 24
TRC_WA
Senior Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then 3 pts...then another 4 pts...

Update:

 

My EQ score held steady at 687 with 6 of 9 cards reporting a $0 balance in June.

 

In July that dropped to 5 of 9 cards when my CapOne card reported a $19 AF balance.

 

I just got a Scorewatch notification that my reported balance is again $0... And a score increase from 687 to 694.

 

So yeah... The number of cards reporting a balance no matter how trivial does matter... Utilization went up from 19% to 26% total last month and score held... The CapOne card went back to a $0 balance and score increased.

FICO8 current as of : 4-17-24 EQ: 724 TU: 707 EX: 706
Hard INQs last 12 months: EQ: 5 | TU: 8 | EX: 9
Verizon Visa $8500 Amex Delta Reserve $10,000 Care Credit $18,000
NFCU CashRewards $7500 Apple Card $7000 Best Buy $8000 Amazon $5000
NFCU auto loan (2022 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands - Cactus Gray) 6.95%
NFCU motorcycle loan (2024 Harley Davidson Road Glide - Alpine Green & Chrome) 9.45%
Total CL: $64,000 --- Total CC UTI: 27% --- AAoA: 5.5 years --- Income: $200k
Last app: 4-6-24
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Kratos-TM
Frequent Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...

I've seen a person with 6 cards all reporting a $1 balance. He paid off 5 of the cards to zero and his score skyrocketed as if he deleted a delinquent account or something, and it was only $5!. It's amazing how important "0" is over how much the balance is.,....

Myfico scores.....
EX... 805 (11-10-13)
EQ... 810 (12-02-13)
TU... 810 (12-02-13)
Message 16 of 24
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...


@Kratos-TM wrote:

I've seen a person with 6 cards all reporting a $1 balance. He paid off 5 of the cards to zero and his score skyrocketed as if he deleted a delinquent account or something, and it was only $5!. It's amazing how important "0" is over how much the balance is.,....


LG ran that test half a year ago or so, $1 on 8 cards and while I forget the numbers she gained on the order of 75-100 points by paying 7 of them to $0.  It's a huge penalty, though she is a clean sheet and if I'd done it, it wouldn't have been nearly as painful.




        
Message 17 of 24
TRC_WA
Senior Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...


@Kratos-TM wrote:

I've seen a person with 6 cards all reporting a $1 balance. He paid off 5 of the cards to zero and his score skyrocketed as if he deleted a delinquent account or something, and it was only $5!. It's amazing how important "0" is over how much the balance is.,....


Absolutely.

 

I've got card 7 of 9 set to report a $0 balance this week. 

 

After it reports I'll post back... hopefully the point gain trend continues!

FICO8 current as of : 4-17-24 EQ: 724 TU: 707 EX: 706
Hard INQs last 12 months: EQ: 5 | TU: 8 | EX: 9
Verizon Visa $8500 Amex Delta Reserve $10,000 Care Credit $18,000
NFCU CashRewards $7500 Apple Card $7000 Best Buy $8000 Amazon $5000
NFCU auto loan (2022 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands - Cactus Gray) 6.95%
NFCU motorcycle loan (2024 Harley Davidson Road Glide - Alpine Green & Chrome) 9.45%
Total CL: $64,000 --- Total CC UTI: 27% --- AAoA: 5.5 years --- Income: $200k
Last app: 4-6-24
Message 18 of 24
Glkslngr
Frequent Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...

6 out of 7 of my accounts are at a zero balance... Hopefully I get a similar boost!

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TRC_WA
Senior Contributor

Re: 4 pt gain... then another 4 pt gain...


@TRC_WA wrote:

@Kratos-TM wrote:

I've seen a person with 6 cards all reporting a $1 balance. He paid off 5 of the cards to zero and his score skyrocketed as if he deleted a delinquent account or something, and it was only $5!. It's amazing how important "0" is over how much the balance is.,....


Absolutely.

 

I've got card 7 of 9 set to report a $0 balance this week. 

 

After it reports I'll post back... hopefully the point gain trend continues!


After seeing score gains when each card reported $0.... I got no change when card 7 of 9 reported $0.

 

I did lose 6 pts on EQ and 3 each on TU and EX when I increased my util from 26% to 36% virtually all of which is 0% home furnishing/appliances purchases. Not a huge deal I know I'll get the points back when I pay down the balances on the 2 cards in the coming months...

FICO8 current as of : 4-17-24 EQ: 724 TU: 707 EX: 706
Hard INQs last 12 months: EQ: 5 | TU: 8 | EX: 9
Verizon Visa $8500 Amex Delta Reserve $10,000 Care Credit $18,000
NFCU CashRewards $7500 Apple Card $7000 Best Buy $8000 Amazon $5000
NFCU auto loan (2022 Ford Bronco Sport Badlands - Cactus Gray) 6.95%
NFCU motorcycle loan (2024 Harley Davidson Road Glide - Alpine Green & Chrome) 9.45%
Total CL: $64,000 --- Total CC UTI: 27% --- AAoA: 5.5 years --- Income: $200k
Last app: 4-6-24
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