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RecoveredDebtaholic
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Re: 85% to 2% util


@rootpooty wrote:

@RecoveredDebtaholic wrote:
Nice bump! If it was me.... I'd pull the trigger on the CSP today then garden.

I cant i close on my first home on sept 12th.  Before I applied for the home I went new car shopping and a dealer ran my credit 10 times then I decided to wait on the car but still have the inquiries.

 

I think that will be the deal breaker for me regardless on low util scores and history


Ahh, absolutely retract that advice then, get that house! I think you will have better luck with low utility and no new car loan or credit cards. The inquiries won't be that big of a deal for the mortgage. Best of luck.
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bdhu2001
Valued Contributor

Re: 85% to 2% util


@rootpooty wrote:

checking back in to post results.  Scores were 647 622 630

 

now 767 760 758

 

in order of transunion equifax experian


Great job!!! Thanks so much for getting back to us.  While you're waiting for your house to close, can you be more specific about what you did?  For example: Did you have 5 credit card with balances and you paid off 4 and left the 5th one with a 9% balance? Inquiring minds, & data driven people trying to figure out FICO 08, would like to know. 

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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dman23
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Re: 85% to 2% util


@bdhu2001 wrote:

You're deffinitely going to see a dramatic bump, with no baddies on your record.  Can you report back to us and let us know the outcome?  Make sure that you aren't spreading the 2% across cards and that only one card shows a balance.


Why does it matter to show a balance on only one card with 2% utilization as opposed to showing a balance on 2 or more cards with same 2% utilization?

myFico Score Experian: Start (4/21/14) 626 Current (5/7/16) 841
myFico Score Equifax: Start (4/30/14) 694 Current (5/6/16) 838
myFico Score Transunion Start (5/01/2014) 727 Current (5/7/16) 842
Discover (4/24/14) 659 (5/5/16) 842
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: 85% to 2% util


@dman23 wrote:

@bdhu2001 wrote:

You're deffinitely going to see a dramatic bump, with no baddies on your record.  Can you report back to us and let us know the outcome?  Make sure that you aren't spreading the 2% across cards and that only one card shows a balance.


Why does it matter to show a balance on only one card with 2% utilization as opposed to showing a balance on 2 or more cards with same 2% utilization?


Put simply, you're not only scored on your aggregate revolving utilization, but also on the number of revolving tradelines with balances.  Also individual tradeline utilization matters as well.

 

We've been doing some testing over the last several months, and at least from my own data I appear to be optimal at one tradeline reporting a balance under FICO 8 (out of 9 total revolving accounts).  On the other end, one of our users let $1 report on each of her 8 credit cards and she got whacked to the tune of 50+ points on her FICO score: granted she was a clean sheet around 780-790 otherwise, but that's a pretty large penalty for $8 in revolving debt at a whopping .01% aggregate utilization or whatever it was for her.




        
Message 24 of 33
vanillabean
Valued Contributor

Re: 85% to 2% util


@dman23 wrote:

Why does it matter to show a balance on only one card with 2% utilization as opposed to showing a balance on 2 or more cards with same 2% utilization?

 

An inadequate answer is that it matters to FICO for reasons pertaining to statistics. Still, out there in normal life everyone believes the right thing is to pay in full every month by the due date, so the whole thing is rather puzzling. See also here.

 

Message 25 of 33
bdhu2001
Valued Contributor

Re: 85% to 2% util


@Anonymous-own-fico wrote:

@dman23 wrote:

Why does it matter to show a balance on only one card with 2% utilization as opposed to showing a balance on 2 or more cards with same 2% utilization?

 

An inadequate answer is that it matters to FICO for reasons pertaining to statistics. Still, out there in normal life everyone believes the right thing is to pay in full every month by the due date, so the whole thing is rather puzzling. See also here.

 


Actually, it's not that puzzlng.  You get a slight bump for paying a card completely off as opposed to having a small balance.  That's logical.  People expect to get or keep a good score by PIF.  However, there's a difference on when you PIF and when the lender reports your balance to the CBAs.  I was always PIF by due date, but the CBAs showed a balance of 1K- 3K. By reading on this forum I began learning lender report dates.  

 

I researched on the internet and discovered that you get a bump in your FICO score for paying cards off.  Thus, I paid off all low balance cards and kept them paid off. As you see from my sigi I started  with EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14.  Now my scores are EX 839 EQ 794:TU 792 on 7/4/14.  I've kept all my cards, except two with 0% interest, at a zero balance.  Both of my other cards are below 9%.  Unfortunately, I'm also in the market for a home and keep having my credit pulled by lenders (now lender).  

 

I've read on this forum that people have found it better to have all your cards report a zero balance, except one.  A lot of the ideas that have been established was based on FICO 04.  I'd like to know the specifics of what worked for OP to get a 100 pt bump.  If OP paid all cards down to 2%, we'll know that when you start at 85% util, then paying down to 2% gets you an approx 100 pt bump.  If OP paid off all, but one or two cards, we'll know that OP got the additional bump that occurs from paying off a credit card. Understanding that YMMV.

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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vanillabean
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Re: 85% to 2% util

Sure, we are familiar with the logistics of various tricks to fine-tune the score, but that doesn’t explain why such hoops should be necessary. Knowing that you get a slight bump for paying off a card as opposed to having a small balance doesn’t mean we know why. I wouldn't say it's logical either; it pertains to some situations and not to others.

Message 27 of 33
bdhu2001
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Re: 85% to 2% util


@Anonymous-own-fico wrote:

Sure, we are familiar with the logistics of various tricks to fine-tune the score, but that doesn’t explain why such hoops should be necessary. Knowing that you get a slight bump for paying off a card as opposed to having a small balance doesn’t mean we know why. I wouldn't say it's logical either; it pertains to some situations and not to others.


I'm saying it's logical to expect that paying off your credit makes you a good credit risk.  It's also logical that you're a better credit risk when you don't owe a bunch of people. It not logical that you become a worse credit risk as soon as you pay everyone off (i.e the leave on card with a small balance). 

 

Without complicated algorithms, we would expect these things to be true. Perhaps I should say that to me it's logical, especially before all the electronic monitoring and payment of bills.

 

Previously, people relied upon snail mail to receive their statements and to pay their bills.  Sometimes the mail wasn't delivered or was set aside to open later. Thus, if you had many bills showing up in your mail on different days and due different days, it was more likely that something could be over looked.  Add to that mix that credit cards had the right to change your due date every cycle (CRPB and laws changed that). As a consumer, you felt they played with your dates in the hopes of charging you a late fee, but in a way that didn't mess up your credit. You asked your creditor for a specific due date, but some creditors wouldn't do it.

 

I think the FICO 08 & 09 models are changing, because the method consumers use to verify and pay bills are changing and consumer protection has made it easier for consumers to have a handle on their bills.  Thus, you can now have multiple cards and keep track of them, because the due dates aren't moving, you get alerts, you use mint, auto pay, and numerous other electronic methods to stay on top of your bills.  It's no longer true that people with more than 5 cards are likely to have bills get out of control.

 

However, it still doesn't change that if I only owe 3 people and an issue occurs, I'm more likely to still pay the 3 people. Because small amounts every where ($2 - $70) may be considered negligible so I may not even put them in my budget, but $200- 1000 per month bills I definitely add to my budget. Thereby, additional reasons that having only 1 -2 cards with a balance is better than having small balances on all cards. To me that's logical.

 

 

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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Message 28 of 33
dman23
Frequent Contributor

Re: 85% to 2% util


@Revelate wrote:

@dman23 wrote:

@bdhu2001 wrote:

You're deffinitely going to see a dramatic bump, with no baddies on your record.  Can you report back to us and let us know the outcome?  Make sure that you aren't spreading the 2% across cards and that only one card shows a balance.


Why does it matter to show a balance on only one card with 2% utilization as opposed to showing a balance on 2 or more cards with same 2% utilization?


Put simply, you're not only scored on your aggregate revolving utilization, but also on the number of revolving tradelines with balances.  Also individual tradeline utilization matters as well.

 

We've been doing some testing over the last several months, and at least from my own data I appear to be optimal at one tradeline reporting a balance under FICO 8 (out of 9 total revolving accounts).  On the other end, one of our users let $1 report on each of her 8 credit cards and she got whacked to the tune of 50+ points on her FICO score: granted she was a clean sheet around 780-790 otherwise, but that's a pretty large penalty for $8 in revolving debt at a whopping .01% aggregate utilization or whatever it was for her.


Thanks Revelate. In that case I'll keep only one credit card with a 2-5% balance. I'll do some testing too to see how my scores are affected.

myFico Score Experian: Start (4/21/14) 626 Current (5/7/16) 841
myFico Score Equifax: Start (4/30/14) 694 Current (5/6/16) 838
myFico Score Transunion Start (5/01/2014) 727 Current (5/7/16) 842
Discover (4/24/14) 659 (5/5/16) 842
Message 29 of 33
rootpooty
Valued Contributor

Re: 85% to 2% util


@bdhu2001 wrote:

@rootpooty wrote:

checking back in to post results.  Scores were 647 622 630

 

now 767 760 758

 

in order of transunion equifax experian


Great job!!! Thanks so much for getting back to us.  While you're waiting for your house to close, can you be more specific about what you did?  For example: Did you have 5 credit card with balances and you paid off 4 and left the 5th one with a 9% balance? Inquiring minds, & data driven people trying to figure out FICO 08, would like to know. 


Ok looks like im sitting at 12% util and not 2 wow and I still got that much of a score bump?  42 and some change reported on my BOFA card and 22 on my freedom and for some reason since I already made one payment last month I paid the remaining balance on my amazon card which was 600 on the day the original payment was due and they still reported the balance.  Also 2300 of my kay account also reported but I got the statement in the mail which reflects zero balance so it should reflect zero sometime this week.

 

Also after my 600 scores posted I attempted to purchase a new vehicle and the dealer slapped a slew of inquiries on my reports prob at least 6 on each.  I was under the impression that they only count as one score wise but my LO for my home application loan told me that they count as one up to 3 anything past that counts as one each so who knows.

 

The TU score was from walmart the EQ was pulled from here and the EX was pulled from my LO

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scores 7/14 647 622 630 (85%util)
scores 8/14 767 760 758 Boom! finally in the 700 club
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