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EX and cards over 50% Utilization

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NRB525
Super Contributor

EX and cards over 50% Utilization

My EX score is the slowest to change, likes to wait to see what all this noise is from two dozen cards reporting before it makes a move. Things have been stable the last few months, and the general trend is up because of no apping and a general slow decline in balances, though a minor data point does turn up.

 

My Chase Freedom card is $1,500 limit, which makes it easy to ramp up the utilization. With Department Stores, had to use it for some Nordstroms purchases, so Utilization went as follows:

Nov 1 $384 to $836, 25% utilization to 55% utilization, EX score 803 to 800, 3 point drop.

Dec 3 $836 to $259, 55% utilization to 17% utilization, EX score 800 to 806, 6 point gain.

 

This is the only card which crossed 50% recently. Others are at 32% and 38%, and the rest of the amounts are moving around below 10% generally.

 

In mid-2015 as several cards transitioned below 50% each, so all went below 50%, there was a large general increase in all scores. 

 

I am not at all against going over 50% if it makes sense for rewards or to take a low rate BT offer, but there are a few FICO points involved if a card does rise over 50%. It's not the end of the world, just one more nuance to how FICO looks at things.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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mysterythemoon
Regular Contributor

Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization

I guess the only thing to remember here is that FICO has no memory when it comes to debt util. It's literally a month to month thing, and whenevr you do get the util down, your score will just reflect that--not the peak util you ever had.

Started on July 4th, 2016 with 400's FAKO scores, no FICO, a dozen baddies and no credit of any kind.

As of March 2018, Before The Fall:
AmEx Blue Cash Everyday: $12,600
Chase Sapphire Preferred: $10,000
Bank Of America BankAmericard: $6,000
Capital One Quicksilver One: $5,500
Citi Diamond Preferred: $5,400
NFCU Cash Rewards Visa Signature: $5,100
NFCU Go Rewards MasterCard World: $5,000
Wells Fargo Propel: $3,500
Barclay's Uber Visa: $2,500
AmEx Starwood Preferred Guest: $2,000
Citi Double Cash: $1,500
AmEx Hilton Honors: $1,000
Discover It: $600
Capital One Platinum: $500

TOTAL 2018 CREDIT LINE: $61,200

JUNE 2023 UPDATE
2020: COVID toppled me. All old accounts went into default. Business lost. Car repossessed.
2021: Cap1 let me back in (one secured/two not). Secured Mission Lane. AU on AMEX Gold, Citi Premier and Chase Sapphire. Car loan approved without cosigner for $20,000. All current.
Currently: No lawsuits. Thinking most SOL have expired on CC debt. Fingers crossed my math and memory are correct.

CURRENT SITUATION:
Mission Lane Secured: $3,400 (SL $400 -- unasked for CLI)
Capital One Secured: $300
Capital One QS1: $300
Capital One Savor: $1,000
Chase Sapphire Preferred: $10,000 (AU)
AMEX Gold: No Preset Limit (AU)
Citi Premier: $8,500 (AU)

SPRING 2026
ALL BADDIES DROP
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization

True, FICO does not remember it.

 

The challenge for those of us who had / have debt is, the bank remembers, and until you actually get it paid off, FICO has no choice but to consider it Smiley Tongue

 

The main point of bringing up the 50% topic is that it really is a trigger for score changes. Might not be all the points, but if one is trying to decide where to put resources, that goal of "under 50% on all cards" is worth trying.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization

Our friend Brutal Body Shots may be doing a CLD soon so that he can have a $300 CL card, for the primary purpose of testing the individual utilization breakpoints.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

Our friend Brutal Body Shots may be doing a CLD soon so that he can have a $300 CL card, for the primary purpose of testing the individual utilization breakpoints.


It's an entertaining gardening activity Smiley Happy

 

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization

It is indeed.

 

One thing that will be interesting is if BBS does NOT detect any score hit by going from 5% to 55% on that card.  Interesting because it will not discount your careful evidence that there does appear to be a breakpoint of 50% for you.  You have established that several times in the last year I think.  What it might mean is that FICO may be more generous with not imposing a penalty at 50% (individual) when one's total U is very low (1-5% say).

 

This is a conjecture I picked up from Thomas Thumb, I believe, but it strikes me as a good way to square the two kinds of reports (people who report no score impact and people who report a definite measurable impact).  The people in the first group may be people with an ultra low total U and the people in the second group may have a total U that is higher. 

 

The individual penalty might vary by score card too (dirty vs. clean, say).  BBS is in a dirty scorecard.

 

Remind me what your total U is currently?

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

It is indeed.

 

One thing that will be interesting is if BBS does NOT detect any score hit by going from 5% to 55% on that card.  Interesting because it will not discount your careful evidence that there does appear to be a breakpoint of 50% for you.  You have established that several times in the last year I think.  What it might mean is that FICO may be more generous with not imposing a penalty at 50% (individual) when one's total U is very low (1-5% say).

 

This is a conjecture I picked up from Thomas Thumb, I believe, but it strikes me as a good way to square the two kinds of reports (people who report no score impact and people who report a definite measurable impact).  The people in the first group may be people with an ultra low total U and the people in the second group may have a total U that is higher. 

 

The individual penalty might vary by score card too (dirty vs. clean, say).  BBS is in a dirty scorecard.

 

Remind me what your total U is currently?


Ok, interesting thoughts. The other metric I would propose to track is, how many cards BBS has reporting any balance. I'm reporting balances on 17 cards out of 24, so 70% of my cards are reporting a balance, only 30% are reporting at zero now. In 2015 when I got them all below 50% individual utilization, virtually all cards were reporting a balance of some kind.

 

My overall utilization, using TU reported items and the associated limits, excluding the one remaining closed account with a balance, is just a shade over 6%, has been there for several months now.

Last app was in March, so about 8 months since the last new account was added.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: EX and cards over 50% Utilization

VERY helpful point, NRB!  It's possible that people who see no score change at 50% are people who have low utilization and who also have a small number of cards reporting a balance.  (This could be a small percentage of cards or a small number.  You have over 70% reporting a balance and that the actual number of cards is itself high too: 17.)

 

I suppose it is also possible that FICO triggers the more draconian 50% penalty if it sees a large dollar value in total debt.

 

Curious to see what happens as BBS and others test.  (Revelate is doing something similar.)

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