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I'm a bit consfued with some of the FICO scoring differences I'm seeing:
FICO 08 from myFICO Jan 21:
EQ: 725
TU: 755
EXP: 738
FICO 08 from Discover IT Jan statement:
TU: 759
FICO 08 from Barclaycard Dec 23:
TU: 759
FICO 08 from my credit union Jan 07:
EXP: 692
Can anyone help me understand and figure out the difference in EXP? All the scores are from FICO 08 so it's all the same flavour (right?)...and they are all from within days of each other.
My credit union says it pulls FICO 08 EXP but I'm just not sure, how could it be so different? They seemed to confirm that the score they gave me was a FICO and not an internal but one guy said it was an internal and another said it was a FICO for sure.
It may be important becuase I have an installment loan and an auto loan both with them and obv my rate was based on my score. My auto loan is 3.44% so not bad but the installment loan is 13%. I spoke to them today and they said that while my score has improved since I was approved for the installment loan (640 then, 692 now, so they say) it was still in the same bracket. Once it get's into the next bracket I could possibly save money on interest.
@tufa4311 wrote:I'm a bit consfued with some of the FICO scoring differences I'm seeing:
FICO 08 from myFICO Jan 21:
EQ: 725
TU: 755
EXP: 738
FICO 08 from Discover IT Jan statement:
TU: 759
FICO 08 from Barclaycard Dec 23:
TU: 759
FICO 08 from my credit union Jan 07:
EXP: 692
Can anyone help me understand and figure out the difference in EXP? All the scores are from FICO 08 so it's all the same flavour (right?)...and they are all from within days of each other.
My credit union says it pulls FICO 08 EXP but I'm just not sure, how could it be so different? They seemed to confirm that the score they gave me was a FICO and not an internal but one guy said it was an internal and another said it was a FICO for sure.
It may be important becuase I have an installment loan and an auto loan both with them and obv my rate was based on my score. My auto loan is 3.44% so not bad but the installment loan is 13%. I spoke to them today and they said that while my score has improved since I was approved for the installment loan (640 then, 692 now, so they say) it was still in the same bracket. Once it get's into the next bracket I could possibly save money on interest.
Well the Barclaycard and Discover cards match and are within 4 of your TU score from here so that's pretty normal. Even scores from the same day can be off some because of fluctuations during the day and when they were actually taken.. I'd be willing to bet that your credit union score is not a true FICO 08 score but based on it. If you have any paperwork that they sent you after applying for credit where they give you your score it should give you the range of scores available and I bet it's off of the ones here. I belong to 3 CUs that I gave credit cards from and the scores they gave me were significantly different than the FICO scores from here. I just a letter today from one today that said your score is 695 EQ with a range that went to 824. As you can in my signature my FICO 08 score here is much higher then that. One thing you'll find is that scores given to you by creditors very often do not match scores from here because they use their own internal scoring method.
i know it's frustrating but sadly there isn't much we can do about it but try to get your scores as high as possible so that whatever internal method they use will still give you the best rate available. Hope this helps.
I called back and dug a little deeper and I'm told that they use the FICO High Risk score - isn't that just the technical name for the FICO 08?
@tufa4311 wrote:I called back and dug a little deeper and I'm told that they use the FICO High Risk score - isn't that just the technical name for the FICO 08?
No such animal to my knowledge; ask them what the score range is, as if it's FICO we should be able within reason to pinpoint it explicitly.
You know, first I find out that my mortgage broker won't be using the FICO 08, now I find out that my credit union isn't using it either, and lasty I find out that we indeed can get our FICO 04 from EQ . So, the natural question is, why are we paying for the 08? Sure, it can tell you where you "are" but if the place I'm getting a loan from has my score at 692 but FICO 08 is at 759...well, it seems like it's just making it seem like it's great but really it's only good.
@tufa4311 wrote:You know, first I find out that my mortgage broker won't be using the FICO 08, now I find out that my credit union isn't using it either, and lasty I find out that we indeed can get our FICO 04 from EQ . So, the natural question is, why are we paying for the 08? Sure, it can tell you where you "are" but if the place I'm getting a loan from has my score at 692 but FICO 08 is at 759...well, it seems like it's just making it seem like it's great but really it's only good.
I can't argue your logic; I railed bitterly against the change of score versions here, and with more and more freely available scores, I think we're seeing the beginning of the end of consumers paying for credit scores.
The one exception is if you want a mortgage: kick the yuppie food stamp to Equifax for their Score Power product... unless you are a member of either DCU or PSECU as they offer the commonly used mortgage scores for EQ and EX respectively to their membership.
Beyond that take the usual advice I and others pontificate: focus on the report data, as a pretty report will result in a pretty score regardless of algorithm selected.
eh...my report data is spotless at this point, there is nothing wrong with it (mind you, there is some stuff that is very wrong with"out" it...my AAOA, but nothing but time can help that - I would make that worse if I applied for more credit thus bringing the average down even more but I don't plan on doing that).
So, me focusing on my data doesn't do much - I just need to keep it clean. We're talking a 67 point difference, that's like 11% of my entire score! And, yes, it does matter, I'm still stuck in the "good" catergory at my credit union so I can't get a new loan with a better rate to cover my old 13% rate.
Is the only way to get the 04 through EQ Score Power (or Score Watch, whatever it is)? I assume so, it would be too easy for them to allow a one time pull.
@tufa4311 wrote:eh...my report data is spotless at this point, there is nothing wrong with it (mind you, there is some stuff that is very wrong with"out" it...my AAOA, but nothing but time can help that - I would make that worse if I applied for more credit thus bringing the average down even more but I don't plan on doing that).
So, me focusing on my data doesn't do much - I just need to keep it clean. We're talking a 67 point difference, that's like 11% of my entire score! And, yes, it does matter, I'm still stuck in the "good" catergory at my credit union so I can't get a new loan with a better rate to cover my old 13% rate.
Is the only way to get the 08 through EQ Score Power (or Score Watch, whatever it is)? I assume so, it would be too easy for them to allow a one time pull.
FICO 04 = Equifax Score Power (one time pull)
You can get recurring FICO 04 access through Equifax Scorewatch, or through DCU membership.
FICO 8 scores of various flavors are available pretty much everywhere else that offers a FICO score.
@Revelate wrote:FICO 04 = Equifax Score Power (one time pull)
You can get recurring FICO 04 access through Equifax Scorewatch, or through DCU membership.
FICO 8 scores of various flavors are available pretty much everywhere else that offers a FICO score.
How do we actually know EQ Score Power is an 04? The website doesn't say anything about what version it is:
http://www.equifax.com/credit-score/
Heck, it says "The FICO Credit Score is intended solely for your own educational use"
Because people have had it explicitly match their Equifax Beacon 5.0 score on a trimerge mortgage pull.
Or you can paypal me $20 I'll pull it, and go compare against my DCU score.
But realistically I may just spend the 20 bucks anyway for the report and score before I start applying for mortgages on March 1st presumably.