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PRILEY
Regular Contributor

Finance company hit??

I was reading that having a consumer finance company on your report affects your score even after it is paid off. I think this is rediculous. I bought a $15,000.00 lawn mower through Sheffield Financial for 48 months @ 0%  Why wouldnt I use someone elses money for 4 years instead of writing a check. This is stupid that this would ding my score.

Whats Up FICO ? Does this make sence?

 

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jamie123
Valued Contributor

Re: Finance company hit??

Yes, that is the way it works.

 

FICO dings consumers that go outside so called "normal" channels to get credit. I think it is unfair myself but that is the way it works. Some finance companies are just legal loan sharks so FICO casts a wide net and groups too many of those companies into the "loan shark" category.

 

And yes, it will probably stay on your reports for 7 years after the account is closed.


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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PRILEY
Regular Contributor

Re: Finance company hit??

I would understand if I borrowed money but when a major company offers 0% financing to help sell their product,I don't agree, Especialy if it looks bad even after it's paid off.

 I only use my Home Depot card thru Citi when I am purchacing something that I can get 0% other wise it 20%+.

FICO / CB's should have a way to seperate a good financial desicion from a strained financial situation. Isn't that what you do FICO ?

Please do your job if you are going to profit from it ! ! !

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Finance company hit??


@PRILEY wrote:

I would understand if I borrowed money but when a major company offers 0% financing to help sell their product,I don't agree, Especialy if it looks bad even after it's paid off.

 I only use my Home Depot card thru Citi when I am purchacing something that I can get 0% other wise it 20%+.

FICO / CB's should have a way to seperate a good financial desicion from a strained financial situation. Isn't that what you do FICO ?

Please do your job if you are going to profit from it ! ! !

 

 


Hey Priley.  So sorry this happened to you.  I agree with you: this is the one part of the FICO algorithm that I feel FICO does a terrible job at helping consumers understand (or even letting them know about).  Everybody can just intuitively sense that having lots of credit card debt is going to hurt your score, or late payments, or a very short credit history, or opening lots of credit cards.  Anyone with common sense can tell, hey this is going to hurt me.

 

But the "finance company" thing always comes as a surprise to people.  They naturally think they are getting a great deal, and that if they are a good scout and make all their payments on time, well that should be GOOD for their score.  It's a huge shock when they discover, when a finance company is involved, it is bad for it (or at least partly bad).

 

Worse still, the damaging record lasts ten years, not seven.  That's because it is not officially classified as a negative record (late payment, collection etc.).  It's just a regular account, so it stays on your report for ten years after it is closed.  I may be mistaken here, but I am pretty sure I am right about that -- happy to be corrected if any of the veterans here know differently.

 

FICO seems imply, however, that paying off and closing a consumer finance will decrease the harm done as time goes on.  And then when it is completely off your report (ten years from now), there will be no harm at all.  I believe I have seen this language somewhere:

"You have a consumer finance account on your credit report.

 Consumer finance companies typically grant loans to people with poor credit histories. Their customers often cannot get loans from traditional lending companies such as banks or credit unions. These are often high-interest loans because the consumer finance company is assuming more risk by lending to people with less than perfect credit.


The fact that you have a consumer finance company loan on your credit report means that you represent a higher risk to lenders than someone with no consumer finance loans. Even if this consumer finance account is closed, it will still lower your FICO score. However, its impact on your score will lessen as time passes."

 

Yeah, I know, your account wasn't high-interest, it was zero interest, how were you to know, etc. -- believe me I am on your side.here.  But I am relaying this language so that you can see the last sentence, which implies that the damage becomes small after a little while.  I wonder whether the creditor would be willing to delete it for you if you agreed to pay it off -- worth asking them about it anyway.

 

One last thought.  You wrote that you'd understand it hurting your score if you had borrowed money.  But that's what you did.  Any time you sign an agreement where somebody gives you merchadise without you paying for it right that instant (i.e. your bank account immediately going down or by giving them cash) then you are borrowing money.  Like I said above, I am 100% on your side in this.  But it's important to always be aware any time you are getting something for nothing what that means, and why it could have an effect on your credit score.

 

 

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PRILEY
Regular Contributor

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I have to respectfully disagree. I bought a John Deere tractor and financed it through John Deere Credit, I bought a New truck and it was financed by Chrysler credit. I buy a Ferris Mower/ Briggs and Stratton Credit and because they have some arangment with Shefield Financial it show up like i'm $ strapped. I would have paid cash for it but the price was the same, so if they are gonna give me 15k for 4 years for nothing why wouldnt I do it. I was fine with the ding for new credit. I'm strong enough for that. FICO 759 today. I even got a loan for an investment property in June. Mower was purchased in April. I just think it should have been treated like any other installment loan. Plus I have over 100K availible to me on my CC. Its like I needed a payday loan or something. How many car companys offer 0% financing? Are they giving you something for nothing?

No they are selling you a car. However not everone qualifies for that type of financing. This mower cost as much as a cheap car so at 0% i'm gonna take it because it's the smart finacial thing to do, Reguardless of what Fair Issacs thinks. Thats what you use your good credit for, Right?

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Anonymous
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So all I meant was: they are giving you something (a lawnmower) for which you paying them nothing.  You are agreeing to pay them down the road, but you are not paying them anything right away.

 

I was responding to you saying (in your second post) that you would understand if you had borrowed money.  I was just gently observing that when you signed that finance agreement that's what you were doing.  Borrowing money.  The interest rate was 0%, but you were borrowing money.

 

But like I said earlier, I am totally on your side on this: this is one area in which FICO does a terrible job at being transparent with consumers how their scoring works.  FICO doesn't have to reveal every detail, but they should enable consumers to make rational informed decisions in general about how to be considered good credit risks.  For example,I just went  to LEARN ABOUT SCORES at the top of this page, and I couldn't find anything that mentioned that they classify certain kinds of lenders as "finance companies" and that having these as creditors can harm your score.  I think that FICO should give ordinary folks a heads up about that.

 

Really sorry you got burned this way.  Maybe there is a way you can pay it off and then ask the creditor if ithey are willing to remove it from your report?  I don't that they can or would, but it's possible that they might do that for you, especially if you tell them you can pay it off early if they will do that.

 

I'd be really interested if more of the veterans on this site can chime in.  You heard from Jamie already and he knows a huge amount.

 

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Finance company hit??

It's just FICO's statistical analysis of the aggregate consumer information they have: people who have consumer finance accounts are more likely to default (apparently).  

 

It's not personal, and certainly breaks down in the individual case: I have a CFA as well, nothing I can do about it except let it age off in 10 years (positive tradeline).  It's apparently a pretty minor ding not to be worried about... even with my dirty file, I was kissing 740 w/the CFA before mortgage inquiries and post closing app spree, so /shrug.  

 

When clean even with CFA on there I still expect to be near 800 and as such the CFA is hardly a concern since it doesn't preclude one from being gold-plated.




        
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