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@creditwherecreditisdue wrote:
Considering the fact that neither one of you know the specifics of this cash out re-fi (due to the provision of insufficient details) I find your comments hypercritical. I am sure the OP feels a tremendous sense of relief. The psychic benefit alone may be worth it. Excess worry and financial pressures are life attenuators.
Not being hypercritical at all. Just stating facts as I see them. This is the how much is my monthly payment box.
@creditwherecreditisdue wrote:
If I have a $40K mortgage on a $200K item of real property and $20K worth of medical bills I was forced to put on my CC's and need to get off and it otherwise makes sense to do a re-fi I am going to do it and it would be a good move. One size does not fit all!
I never said that one size fits all. I very explicitly stated that everyone's situation is different, but that it is rarely a good idea to convert unsecured debt into secured debt. I am not sure why you got all worked up over this. Why you think that makes me (or smallfry) a hypocrite is unclear to me. Neither of us has written anything that runs counter to what we have said or done.We obviously disagree on this issue and that is ok.
As someone who was in CC debt for over 20 years, I can say the a quick fix like rolling CC debt into a mortgage would have made it worse for me. The reason that the odds are against people who do this is that they dont modify their behaviour when it comes to credit cards.
My 5 year stint in DMP forced me to change my habits and even though I am CC debt free today, I still sometimes feel the temptation to revolve a balance.
@marty56 wrote:As someone who was in CC debt for over 20 years, I can say the a quick fix like rolling CC debt into a mortgage would have made it worse for me. The reason that the odds are against people who do this is that they dont modify their behaviour when it comes to credit cards.
My 5 year stint in DMP forced me to change my habits and even though I am CC debt free today, I still sometimes feel the temptation to revolve a balance.
Well, I accidentally carried a small balance recently: when intending to pay all my cards in full as usual I paid a little less than the balance due to one company and thus paid a finance charge of 61 cents. Fortunately for me this card has a minimum finance charge when there is a balance of 50 cents; some of my others would have charged me a dollar for this.
I must disagree with many of the posted replies in this thread.
One thread stated that OP now faces 30 year payoff vs. 2-3 years? People carrying balances on CC's, especially if the rates went up significantly are facing substantially longer pay offs than 2-3 years and at much higher rates, exacerbating the cash flow problem.
If OP rolls debt into a good APR, say 5 to 5.5%, there is nothing that forces OP to pay off the CC debt portion over 30 years. OP has the ability to pay more in principal and only incur the lower APR.
OP also has the stability of knowing the rates and month to month obligations will not vary, which is not the case with CC's.
OP may over time recoup some of the cost of the refi if his home value appreciates in the long term. Therefore the combined paydown under lower APR with appreciation of value help OP position.
YES, yes, yes, there is a risk associated with running up new CC debt. Thus, OP you have been aptly warned against such. But in the event that you do not incur new CC debt, live within your means, pay your APR savings toward CC debt, and continue to pay what you would have paid on the CC debt toward the mortgage, then you are gaining ground faster than paying under the CC's.
Many financial planner will advice to consolidate loans at lower rates in order to facilitate a manageable cash flow. Especially when the plan includes accelerated pay down at the lower APR. Financial planners advise against this when the individual is not likely to avoid new debt or does not follow a financial budget/plan.
Therefore I applaud anyone who restructures debt at lower fixed rates, sticks to aggressive payoff of that debt while avoiding new debt.
The risks are known to OP. Then again, those same risks are also somewhat the same even without the refi in the instance that OP were to obtain additional credit, CLI's, etc. and run up new debt. Those debts still affect the mortgage by making it harder to pay the mortgage payment and by eating up discretionary income in the form of higher APR rates, meaning less savings put in reserve.
I don't agree with straight line veto on rolling secured to secured in all cases. If the home is being used as an ATM to support the overextension lifestyle, then bad idea. But if used as a tool to restructure and overcome debt, then it can be a great tool.
Creditwherecreditisdue wrote hypercritical. Not hypocritical.
@Anonymous wrote:Creditwherecreditisdue wrote hypercritical. Not hypocritical.
Thank you for your careful reading. Kudos.