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Anonymous
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Re: Number of accounts with balances

I can join this test too....I think anyway. I realized while looking at my reports last week that my EQ is still reporting an open (with no balance though) 2nd mortgage for the house I sold 2 years ago. Am I getting dinged for the open account even with no balance?

 
Message 11 of 17
smallfry
Senior Contributor

Re: Number of accounts with balances



@Anonymous wrote:
I can join this test too....I think anyway. I realized while looking at my reports last week that my EQ is still reporting an open (with no balance though) 2nd mortgage for the house I sold 2 years ago. Am I getting dinged for the open account even with no balance?






I wouldn't dispute it. You have an open mortgage on EQ forever which I think FICO likes especially with low utilization. Can't get lower than 0. Smiley Happy
Message 12 of 17
Anonymous
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Re: Number of accounts with balances

I already did, through the OC asking them to close it. It's only on the one report, while I have my first mortgage for both houses I owned reporting correctly on all three bureaus plus my closed car loans. In this case, I don't think it'll hurt much but I'll admit I could be wrong. Smiley Happy
Message 13 of 17
MattH
Senior Contributor

Re: Number of accounts with balances

I have noticed, as have others, that EX seems to give more weight for
percent utilization, EQ more weight for total balance on revolving accounts,
and TU for number of accouts reporting a balance. My wife and I enjoy
good incomes and are heavy convenience users on multiple credit cards:
carrying very little cash, putting everything on our cards, and paying
in full at the end of the month. Our cards all have limits well above
anything we have ever put on them. My oldest account is my Amex Gold
active since 1982, I recently paid off a car loan, and the only interest
we currently pay is the mortgage. Neither of us has any baddies, when
one of us does get the occasional second notice of a bill that slipped
through the cracks we instantly pay them when getting the reminder.

In credit scoring terms, this means my PERCENT utilization is always
quite low, but all of my cards report a balance every month and the total
balance on revolving accounts bounces around quite a bit.

The result of this profile in FICO scoring terms:

EX: FICO consistently between 820 and 830, and under negative factors it
says "no factors negatively affecting your score. The last time I did
a same-day comparison of my Experian Plus FAKO score versus my Experian
FICO score, the FAKO was 812 and the FICO was 821.

EQ: fluctuates from about 790 to about 810 depending on the balances
this month, when it happens to be above 800 it says "no negative factors"
and when it happens to be under 800 it mentions "total balance on revolving
accounts is too high."

TU: consistently between 785 and 795, sometimes mentions total balance
on revolving accounts and always mentions "too many accounts showing a
balance."

I therefore conclude that, at least for people in my bucket, the relative
weights appear to be as I said above. When I next anticipate applying
for credit, I could probably maximimze all my scores by sockdrawering
all but one card for a couple months and prepaying that one card online.

The FICO Score Simulator is relatively useless for parsing out the relative
weights of these factors in my case, because when I feed it scenarios like
paying off all my balances its prediction is for the resulting scores to
range from 780 to 830, which I already know. Naturally when I ask the
simulator about the likely result of hypothetical baddies it predicts my
scores would tank -- again no surprise, obviously a single baddie will have
a major impact on a clean profile, just as a credible report of personal
misconduct by a politician with a very clean image would change my view
of that politician much more than would yet another scandal involving somebody
whose picture regularly appears in the tabloids.
TU 791 02/11/2013, EQ 800 1/29/2011 , EX Plus FAKO 812, EX Vantage Score 955 3/19/2010 wife's EQ 9/23/2009 803
EX always was my highest when we could pull all three
Always remember: big print giveth, small print taketh away
If you dunno what tanstaafl means you must Google it
Message 14 of 17
marty56
Super Contributor

Re: Number of accounts with balances

Matth, great post.  I agree 100% on your Score Simulator comment.
 
I am only allowing 1 CC to report a balance each month which is actually harder to keep track of then I thought.
 
On my budget spreadsheet, I pick one of my 3 CCs each month and set the background color of the cell to red to show that I need to use it.  That is helping a lot.
 
My credit profile only allows 1 CC tro report since I have a mortgage and a car loan which gives 3 accounts reporting which is what high FICO achievers which are said to allow.
1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
Message 15 of 17
MattH
Senior Contributor

Re: Number of accounts with balances



@marty56 wrote:
Matth, great post. I agree 100% on your Score Simulator comment.
I am only allowing 1 CC to report a balance each month which is actually harder to keep track of then I thought.
On my budget spreadsheet, I pick one of my 3 CCs each month and set the background color of the cell to red to show that I need to use it. That is helping a lot.
My credit profile only allows 1 CC tro report since I have a mortgage and a car loan which gives 3 accounts reporting which is what high FICO achievers which are said to allow.





Well, even though my TU is my lowest, it's not very far below 800 at 791, and that's with the following accounts all showing balances: Amex Gold, Discover Card, Chase Platinum Visa, Citibank Platinum Mastercard, Chase Auto Finance, and Wells Fargo mortgage. The car I recently paid off, which had little effect either way on my EX or EQ scores. I've got quarterly monitoring of my TU through MyFico so I'll simply wait to see whether that score changed from paying off the car.
TU 791 02/11/2013, EQ 800 1/29/2011 , EX Plus FAKO 812, EX Vantage Score 955 3/19/2010 wife's EQ 9/23/2009 803
EX always was my highest when we could pull all three
Always remember: big print giveth, small print taketh away
If you dunno what tanstaafl means you must Google it
Message 16 of 17
Anonymous
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Re: Number of accounts with balances

I'm in a crappy bucket and this powerscore thing (equifax)  from myfico said a negative factor was *too many accounts showing balances* . I guess it is not good all around.
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