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Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

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Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

 

DH paid down his only cc reporting a balance from 24% to 5%.  (This pulled overall utilization down from 6% to 1%).  No score change whatsoever! 

 

DH has one mortgage and seven credit/charge cards reporting (would be 8 if Macy’s reported Visa separately – which they are not yet doing).

 

On the simulator, when I try paying down any amount on this CC balance, I cannot get a score change.  Any strategies you’d recommend?

 

I’m stumped…..

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haulingthescoreup
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

What's the negatives on his report, in order?

It might be that he has enough non-util stuff going on that further tweaking of the util isn't going to help him.
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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Anonymous
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

Thanks Hauling.  It's a good thing you clarified negatives with "on his report" Smiley Wink.  He's a good guy - so both lists are pretty short!

 

His negative is:

You recently opened a new account.  (2 months ago.)

 

His positives are:

You have no missed payments on your credit accounts.

You have an established credit history.  (Oldest: 20 yrs 10 mos.; AAofA 5 yrs)

You have limited use of available credit (1%)

You’ve shown recent use of your credit cards

 

His EQ FICO is 781.

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Established Contributor

Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.


@Anonymous wrote:

On the simulator, when I try paying down any amount on this CC balance, I cannot get a score change.  Any strategies you’d recommend?

 

I’m stumped…..


* On the simulator first pay the whole balance as a one time payment

and note the generated score range.

 

* Next pay all but $1 and note score range.

 

* Leave a 5% balance payment and note the score range.

 

If all ranges are identical compute the score again using a 2.5% balance

 

If still no difference compute using 1.25%. Also compute using 3.75%.

 

Sooner or later you will see a difference in score ranges. Then you can plug in small amounts higher and lower until you determine the (projected) sweet spot.

 

Once you have determined the projected sweet spot you are ready to determine your actual sweet spot.

 

Pay your actual credit card balance down to an amount 50% higher than the projected sweet spot break point.  

 

Each  month leave a balance half as much as the month before and note Fico scores. Once you observe a score change in either direction you can figure an amount to allow to report the next month to get a more accurate sweet spot amount. Once  you know the actual sweet spot amount, convert the amount to a percentage of individual card utility and overall utility.

 

 

 

 

On the other hand, here is what I am going to do in November.

 

A 0%  BT will expire. It is my only credit card balance. I will pay all but $1,000 balance. I will throw Chase a bone and allow the bank to make a few dollars interest. I will pay $500 then $250 for the two subsequent months. I will keep checking scores and tweaking the balances until I have determined my own sweet spot. Once I have determined the sweet spot balance on a particular credit card, I will note the utilization on that individual card also taking note of overall usage.

 

 

 

By The Way:

 

This forum is one of the few places where we can discuss things like this.

 

Things like what?  Smiley Surprised

 

Er.... How about extreme obsessions involving miniscule details concerning small differences in numbers that probably won't ever mean that much in the real world?   Smiley Indifferent

 

Since I will again have 800 Fico scores when my balance is again bellow $1,000 it really doesn't matter what my sweet spot is.  I do want to know for sure what is the best percentage for me to allow to report. That way I can chime in with my own 2 cents whenever minimum reporting balances are discussed. Smiley Wink 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

I know, I know.  It looks a little twerpy.

 

I’m trying to get DH’s score as happy as possible because we are prepping for the new mortgage to report – and are anticipating a bit of a hit.  His EQ is his highest score, but it’s the one that’s easiest for me to watch.  His TU is middle, and the mortgage pull brought EXP in low.

 

I don’t want a score hit to scare off any of our lovely creditors – so I figure the best possible FICO score before the mortgage hit is in his best interest.

 

I did (and almost exactly) the method you described to determine what amount to have report.  I arranged the payment to make sure I had a “good” balance reporting. 

 

On his $10,000 card, the sweet spot was between 2-5% - predicting 791-831 as a potential FICO range.  So we reported $462 or 4.6%.  No change at all.  FICO still at 781.  Now, when I use the simulator it says 781-801 no matter what I pay in – from $1 to $462.  I’m bummed.

 

Thanks for cheering me up – it’s good to know that there are other people out there that sit with their calculator and punch numbers into the simulator.

 

Next month, I’ll shoot for reporting half of the current balance (that would be $230) as you suggested, and see if that will give me my 10 point (or whatever) bump.  Thanks for the thoughtful process.  If we’re lucky, that’ll happen before the mortgage hits – keeping my fingers crossed.

 

CreditAble - Thanks for your two cents worth – priceless to me!

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haulingthescoreup
Moderator Emerita

Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

The sim is like an exciting, but not-very-trustworthy stranger. It will whisper enticing promises, but those promises don't necessarily come true. Smiley Wink

It might well be a question of time, then. I tend to go with the middle figure of the score range, and it's interesting that using this logic, it's projecting 791. (mid-point of 781 and 801) Maybe he'll get a small boost next month when the newest account hits 3 months?

But again, with scores as high as his and so little to manipulate, I'm think the projections are in the sweet nothings category. Which also means his score could have better changes!

Just out of curiosity, did you run the sim with adding a mortgage? (I think that's one of the options.)
* Credit is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. * Who's the boss --you or your credit?
FICO's: EQ 781 - TU 793 - EX 779 (from PSECU) - Done credit hunting; having fun with credit gardening. - EQ 590 on 5/14/2007
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smallfry
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

Look on the bright side. My TU Sim told me a few months back don't expect more than 740 with 24 months of on time payments. This month my score was 737.
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Anonymous
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

smallfry - gotta love that!

hauling - yep I ran the mortgage through the simulator which yielded -15 to +5 points - thus my quest for a higher score before it hits.  I'm not too worried about EQ cause I know that's in a golden place - I'm more worried about the other two scores.  It's just easy for me to track EQ and I hope for somewhat similar movements from the others - but I know that's about as sure a thing as those sweet simulator whisperings.

 

I'll still try to find the sweet spot just so I know where it is and can make good use of it when it comes in handy.

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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.


beamMEup wrote:

On his $10,000 card, the sweet spot was between 2-5% - predicting 791-831 as a potential FICO range.  So we reported $462 or 4.6%.  No change at all.  FICO still at 781.

 

 

Next month, I’ll shoot for reporting half of the current balance (that would be $230) as you suggested, and see if that will give me my 10 point (or whatever) bump.  Thanks for the thoughtful process.  If we’re lucky, that’ll happen before the mortgage hits – keeping my fingers crossed.

 

CreditAble - Thanks for your two cents worth – priceless to me!

 


 

 A few years back when I was actively tweaking the sweet spot, $462 was definitely to high for me. On a $5,000 and $10.000 cards $200 was pretty much the max balance for best Fico score. Minimum balance was about $150. The score definitely didn't favor a balance under $100.

 

 I was using mostly $5.000, $10,000, and $29,000 cards with total CLs about $50,000 - $70,000. If your revolving limits are in a similar range and you want to play "my numbers" (and yours), you can try $230 the first month and try $150 the next.

 

If you only have time to play one number as a "Hail Mary" pass I would simply go with $200. The point is if you cut too low you won't have a score any lower than you have right now at $462. You would  just miss the narrow band of a slight score jump, and still probably have the same FICO. On a $10,000 card I believe that the sweet spot is probably below $300 depending upon the overall utilization variable. 

 

You might want to read  THIS_THREAD for additional insight. Generally I was trying to explain to other Forum members that there was a small FICO score bump within a small band that was greater than $0 and less than 9% utility, which produced a score bump greater than simply having 9%utility. Another FICO member named "the band" a "sweet spot". I was trying to point out that the <9% conventional wisdom was not something that was carved in stone. The thread evolved into an amount verses percentage discussion. Since I had never computed my actual percentage utility all I could offer was "my amounts". Some members rightfully pointed out that the best balance for a highest Fico score was a percentage rather than an amount. I did realize that a person having only one credit card with a $500 CL, certainly wouldn't have a $200 sweet spot. Smiley Indifferent

 

The fact still remains that "<9%" is still not the optimal balance to have reporting.  I hope that you find the percentage that is best for you. It is an elusive number and might vary with different credit profiles in addition to being dependent upon utility. I commend you for doing the trial and error experiment. It was the score simulator that alerted me to the possible existence of the sweet spot in the first place. It was trial and error that produced my own number that gave me my extra points for these past 8 years or so.   

 

 

 

 
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Anonymous
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Re: Playing with reporting balances to find the FICO sweet spot.

Well, new mortgage reported before I got to play anymore with the sweet spot for DH.  EQ took a ten point hit for him.  (I don't check TU regularly because virtually nobody pulls TU for him). 

 

I was able to play a little with mine.  I was reporting a 1% balance on Orchard - no other cards reporting balances.  No point impact (as CreditAble would have rightly predicted).  So, I upped it to 3% last month.  As luck would have it, my Orchard updated the same day my new mortgage reported.  Eeek- what are the odds of that?  My simulator (and I'm SO remembering what Hauling said about its' dependability) predicted -25 to +5 point change for me when the new mortgage reported.  I had no point change.  (Relief!)  IF I hit the sweet spot, perhaps it corrected any point loss from the mortgage.  But then again, perhaps not.  Wish they would have reported on different days....it would have been so fun to watch. 

 

I'll keep playing because it's easy to adjust reporting balances and I don't have any other changes coming up (except AAofA, of course).

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