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jordanmedical
Established Contributor

Re: Re-bucketing

Your credit score: 482
Date: 06/07/2012
Scores range from a low of 350 to a high of 850

 

Does this mean it is a FICO, got it from Credit One pre-qual.

 

If so, that's a drop of 31points.

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llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Re-bucketing

It's not a FICO. Could be an internal score maybe?

Message 12 of 17
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Re-bucketing


@llecs wrote:

It's not a FICO. Could be an internal score maybe?


Now I'm confused Smiley Wink  Isn't 350-850 the traditional FICO score ranges?

 

Granted there's a real max which isn't 850 but I didn't think that had to be stated on a score report?  Also, with a Beacon 5.0 pull of sub 450 in April, might not a 480 be accurate?




        
Message 13 of 17
llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Re-bucketing


@Revelate wrote:

@llecs wrote:

It's not a FICO. Could be an internal score maybe?


Now I'm confused Smiley Wink  Isn't 350-850 the traditional FICO score ranges?

 

Granted there's a real max which isn't 850 but I didn't think that had to be stated on a score report?  Also, with a Beacon 5.0 pull of sub 450 in April, might not a 480 be accurate?



FICO is 300-850 vs. 350-850. And yes, FICO isn't a perfect 300-850, but I wouldn't think the bank, when they published the score range, would round the 300 up to 350.

Message 14 of 17
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Re-bucketing


@llecs wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@llecs wrote:

It's not a FICO. Could be an internal score maybe?


Now I'm confused Smiley Wink  Isn't 350-850 the traditional FICO score ranges?

 

Granted there's a real max which isn't 850 but I didn't think that had to be stated on a score report?  Also, with a Beacon 5.0 pull of sub 450 in April, might not a 480 be accurate?



FICO is 300-850 vs. 350-850. And yes, FICO isn't a perfect 300-850, but I wouldn't think the bank, when they published the score range, would round the 300 up to 350.


Right you are, I was indeed confused and my quick GoogleFu failed me when I went looking.  Thanks illecs for the smack upside the head on my apparently mixing it up with the CE score or some other FAKO.

 




        
Message 15 of 17
llecs
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Re-bucketing

I get mixed up every now and then too. It seems like there's a FAKO with 350-850. Transrisk maybe? Def. not saying OP's was that though. Probably an internal score.

Message 16 of 17
HiLine
Blogger

Re: Re-bucketing


@Tuscani wrote:

The purpose of pools (aka scorecards, buckets, ect.) works out more to the benefit of those with derogs or very little to no history than it does them harm.

 

If there was only one simple bell curve including all credit files then those fortunate, extremely long established folks would have the whole top half of the score numbers scale absolutely locked up tight.

 

So where would that leave the person who is only beginning to build a credit history at all? Or who has had some derogs in the past but now is trying to work toward a better CR and score? They would be locked down into the basement of the score range for probably ten, twenty years or more. There's no WAY that that new user or rebuilder individual has as much good history yet as that long established individual does.

 

So what the pools are attempting to do is to help potential lenders figure out which of the new-credit individuals are showing characteristics which usually go on to blossom into a long clean history, and which other ones don't. The same for rebuilding individuals. By assigning relatively better scores to top of each scorecard and lower scores to the least improved, the individuals who are making progress float to the top. They actually are scoring a bit better than they would if being compared head to head with Mr. Jones who has no derogs whatsoever and has 30+ years of history already.

 

By trying to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, that means that amongst the pool of individuals who share certain key history elements, Customer A looks most like someone who will continue to do better and better and is not as likely to default whereas Customer B from the same group is not showing those indicators of steady improvement.

 

If it weren't for scorecards, IMO, it would be very difficult to get decent mortgages and accounts and loans without thirty years of history already established. That would mean that it would be like climbing an ice mountain barefoot to buy a house or a car or open a credit card before the age of at least forty or fifty.

 

The pools tend to be split out according to:

 

-Age of file (length of credit history)

-Thickness of file (number of trade lines)

-Presence of a new account (opened within past X months)

-Presence of seriously negative payment history (90+ days late, charge off, etc.)


Thanks for the detailed explanation!

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