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Hello,
I have 20 cc accounts. It's not hurting my EQ scores, but on my TU report, "what's affecting your score",too many accounts. Should I close some of the accounts?
3 accounts reporting balances:
1. Discover 2436, Card limit, 8000
2. Chase 1500 " " ,14,000
3. Chase (au) 1000 " '' 14,000
TU 10/21 779
EQ 1019 785
@Anonymous wrote:Hello,
I have 20 cc accounts. It's not hurting my EQ scores, but on my TU report, "what's affecting your score",too many accounts. Should I close some of the accounts?
3 accounts reporting balances:
1. Discover 2436, Card limit, 8000
2. Chase 1500 " " ,14,000
3. Chase (au) 1000 " '' 14,000
TU 10/21 779
EQ 1019 785
Disregard. There's no such thing as too many accounts.
@creditwherecreditisdue wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:Hello,
I have 20 cc accounts. It's not hurting my EQ scores, but on my TU report, "what's affecting your score",too many accounts. Should I close some of the accounts?
3 accounts reporting balances:
1. Discover 2436, Card limit, 8000
2. Chase 1500 " " ,14,000
3. Chase (au) 1000 " '' 14,000
TU 10/21 779
EQ 1019 785
Disregard. There's no such thing as too many accounts.
I agree although sometimes having too many revolving accounts with balances can harm your score. As long as these cards don't have criminally high annual fees (and only you can decide if they are criminal) keep them open and just let them age.
As long as you adhere to this you will be fine:
Optimal credit utilization for FICO scoring purposes is:
- Total revolving utilization > 0 and <= 9%, the lower the better, and
- Reporting a balance on less than half of your revolving TL's, and
- Reporting a balance on half or less of all TL's.
Anyway you get there is fair game. You only need have one revolving TL report a balance.
Thanks. I will leave the cards open. The apr's on the cards are as follows:
Discover: 0%, until May, 2010
Chase Cards: 7.99%
You really are fine. Being a FICO High Achiever is proof. (FICO > 760)
Congratulations! Carry on!
You have great FICO scores.
However, to say you have 20 cards and they’re not hurting your score is missing the point. TU just told you that your number of open cards is having a negative impact on your score – in other words your score would be higher with fewer accounts open. It makes sense, after all, too many open accounts raises our risk level (and that drops our scores).
(They’re not dinging you for too many accounts with balances – so the fact that only three of your accounts has a balance is not a factor for this FICO message.)
Credit is missing the point when he says “Disregard. There is no such thing as too many accounts.” FICO just told you that there is such a thing. It’s FICO code #28. TU labels this as “Too Many Accounts”, the EQ label is “Number of Established Accounts.” It’s a reminder that the FICO gods feel we can (and that you do) have too many.
When you pull your reports with scores in your high range on myfico.com, you only see – I think it’s one or two? – of the negative FICO codes affecting your account. When your lenders/creditors pull your score, they will see all four codes.
If you’re good with your lovely current score (good enough to be “great”), then don’t worry about closing accounts – just know that it is affecting your score. If you want to be at 800 for some reason, then pay attention to the specific info TU just provided you with. Fewer cards will bring you closer to 800. We may choose not to play the game because our scores are fine where they are – but never disregard FICO information – that’s exactly why we buy our reports and check them out. Basically, they’re providing us with exactly the type of information we need to manage our FICO scores – at least to the point where we want to manage them.
Pulling your reports on myfico.com/12 allows you to see all four reason codes from TU and EQ. At that point, you’ll know if it’s a factor for EQ or not. And if you see all four codes, your creditors won’t blindside you.
This #28 code can become a considerable factor in FICO scores, so it’s good to pay attention. It’s a good idea to review reports, identify all open accounts (sounds like you know yours – sometimes you really have to scout through the reports), and make an informed decision on how many to keep open. If you decide to close any accounts, then target the following: finance company accounts, revolving accounts opened most recently, or those not used, first. Maybe rethink the AU accounts.
(There is another recent post on the boards regarding having too many bank/national revolving accounts open – that’s a different, but related problem. 6 accounts triggered that code. It’s good to note that his CCard – I think it was Citi - was closed by the lender based on that code showing on his credit report). For this code, FICO experts recommend no more than 10 open accounts (including CC, mortgage, installment, student, overdraft accounts) for an 800 score.
Hope that helps. I personally love that TU & EQ will tell us exactly what it is that’s driving our scores.
And congratulations on your perfectly lovely scores - good work!
Unfortunately, that 'Too many accounts' ding is for open AND closed accounts on your credit report.
I have about 20 paid off, closed (long ago) student loan TLs that are still on my TU report (dropped off my EQ report), and TU is still complaining about too many accounts (I have 10 TLs open, about 40 total for TU), and my FICO score is 2 pts lower on TU than EQ.
Sorry, but I have to disagree - the "too many accounts" Fico ding is very minimal. Often, it is given as a reason when there is nothing else available to use as a negative score factor. There are many people with 800+ Fico scores who have more than 30 accounts.
"Too many accounts with balances" is a more significant negative factor and seems to come into play when the percentage of accounts with balances exceeds 50%...