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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

 

 

I truly do appreciate your efforts in explaining it all to me but the fact that it requires so much explanation and I (as are many) totally confused on the matter as scoring and the diversity as to scores offers a very good arguement as to the system being flawed to the layman (layperson).

 

I've been working with credit applications since the early sixties.

Trust me in that I'm not a smart man.

That said, working with credit for well over fifty years does' give me what could be called an experianced opinion.

Would you not agree?

 

Once upon a time way back in the stone ages we would call (not fax/E or otherwise) a credit app in to a lender.

The lender would call back a credit decision based on how the applicant paid his or her bills, time on the job, time in the home, buying vs renting and income vs what they were proposing.

There were plenty of manuals and such to guide credit decisions.

Everyone involved had an understanding of the decision and why the decision was made.

 

Today it's a score that no one understands fully.

Maybe somewhat partially understands however somewhere there's a dark room that processes info for credit scores that's in a dungeon somewhere, well gaurded and no one knows how to storm the walls.

 

I have no bad credit

I have virtually no debt load

Nothing haunting me

Six figure income

Fifty + years in my trade

Not a negative to be found

I should be a poster child for a good credit score which actually I have.....................BUT...........................

........"Good" seems to be described as a high 6'S credit score which I have.

 

I think I'm better than "Good" but the mysterious scoring systems wont allow that with me.

 

So, I guess I'm just allowed to go thru life as "Good".....................BUT..........................

.........I dont intend to settle for that.

 

I want to hang out with the big kids on the schoolyard and you gotta be well over a 7 to sit at the big boy table.

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

Dear Mike: I'm not sure how much you are paying for EQ's service, but the best all around value is found at: https://www.creditchecktotal.com/

 

You can get a 1 week $1 trial membership which will give you ALL three of your REAL FICO scores. Those are the scores you want and that ultimately matter. 

 

Before the end of the 1 week trial, call the automated phone number lsted on the Credit Check Total website and they will offer you a 50% monthly deal for $14.95. I was offered that deal for 5 years. That's a bargain to get your Experian score and report each and every day. You also get three credit reports and Fico scores for Transunion and Equifax every month. Again, I can't help but underscore how great of a bargain that is. 

 

With Credit Check Total you can know exactly your real scores and find out what exactly are the factors hindering your score for each credit bureau. 

Sign up for it. It's only $1 for the 1 week trail membership. Once you sign up, come back here and tell us what on those reports indicates are the things that are hindering your scores. 

 

Once we have that data, you'll get the best advice in the world to hit not only 700 across the board to hit as high as possible. You've come to the right place. 

 

Welcome. 

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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

Thank you and yes I will look at it.

 

Frustrating stuff.

 

I deal with credit with the products I sell.

 

A 640 is a minimum score to allow you to enter thru the front door with a couple of my lenders.

They're my favorites because of that.

 

A 680 allows you to stand at the back door with hat in your hand with some but with those a 720 allows you to walk in the front door.

680 will get you bought with a high interest rate

720 allows a good interest rate.

 

It's all the credit score number.

Your number allows you to sit at a good table in the restaurant (so to speak)  vs a lower number allowing you to be thrown a sndwhich out the kitchen door (so to speak).

 

It annoys me greatly that I dont qualify to get a preferred rate on my own products.

 

Yes, I will look at your suggestion.

I've tried Credit Karma which is useless

I'm currently with MyFico and Equifax Complete but as stated cant figure out the disparity.

 

I'll try your suggestion....................

THANKS!

Message 13 of 31
Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

 OK honestly it is not really that difficult to know the difference between different scoring models. 

 

CreditKarma and Credit Sesame are good for offering you a thorough review of your credit reports. They use the Vantage scoring model which is somewhat similar to Fico, but not the same. Google Vantage score vs Fico score to have a better understanding of the differences. 

 

Myfico.com and CreditChecktotal.com offer you your real FICO scores. They use the proprietary Fico mathematical models made popular by Fico (Fair Isaacs). The scores at these two sites are the Fico 8 scores used most widely in the financial world. There are variants of the Fico model for credit card issuers, mortgage lenders, auto lenders etc. 

 

Now Equifax Complete is using its own scoring model that is unique to Equifax. Why? By using its own model, it does not have to pay Fico for its proprietray model score. It can offer you a score and since Equfax is a business, it wants to maximize its profit. If it gave you a Fico score, then part of what you paid it, would have to be paid to Fico since EQ would be using its scoring math model formula. 

 

The best thing for you is to drop or cancel Equifax Complete, since Equifax Complete is not giving you a score used by most people, so you're wasting your time and money. And drop or cancel myfico.com (3B report membership), because it is too expensive. I had it, and dropped it for CreditChecktotal.com. I'm all about saving money and getting the best deal, with the information that is exactly what I need and want at a good price. 

 

I hope I have explained it as clearly as possible. Again it is not that complicated. Different models from different companies. Just simplify it by getting the most widely used model, Fico 8 found at the best sight now with the best bargain: CreditChecktotal.com. 

 

Do that, and then come back here with more credit report information. You're on your way to 700+ and qualifying for your own products at the company you work at. This is all going to help you at work also as you better understand how the system works. 

 

 

Message 14 of 31
CH-7-Mission-Accomplished
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete


@Anonymous wrote:

Thank you and yes I will look at it.

 

Frustrating stuff.

 

I deal with credit with the products I sell.

 

A 640 is a minimum score to allow you to enter thru the front door with a couple of my lenders.

They're my favorites because of that.

 

A 680 allows you to stand at the back door with hat in your hand with some but with those a 720 allows you to walk in the front door.

680 will get you bought with a high interest rate

720 allows a good interest rate.

 

It's all the credit score number.

Your number allows you to sit at a good table in the restaurant (so to speak)  vs a lower number allowing you to be thrown a sndwhich out the kitchen door (so to speak).

 

It annoys me greatly that I dont qualify to get a preferred rate on my own products.

 

Yes, I will look at your suggestion.

I've tried Credit Karma which is useless

I'm currently with MyFico and Equifax Complete but as stated cant figure out the disparity.

 

I'll try your suggestion....................

THANKS!


Everyone has shared your frustrations with the credit scoring system and how they personally rank, but for all its complexity, it is a far, far better system than used to be used in granting credit.  

 

My first job was as a teller at the old Washington Mutual in 1979.  We had 26 branches in Washington State.  I got promoted and did car loans, second mortgages and consumer loans within about 6 months.  

 

In those days we did not have credit scores, although we used an internal computer that ranked people based on rent versus own, have a checking and savings, have a telephone, etc.   Lending was very subjective in those days.   I also had to call to remind past due people to make their car loan payments.  I would see the credit report and wonder why the previous manager had approved the guy and there would be a note in the file that said "he's a good family man," which was kind of a code for a white, regular guy who the manager happened to like.

 

Later I worked in the head office releasing very old mortgages (even the original mortgage on the Space Needle).  Looking through those files to prepare releases was mind blowing to me at age 20.  Covenants in the deeds had things like "no negroes, no Jews."  Women's income was not counted becasue it was assumed that she would soon quit whatever crappy job she had to stay home and do her duty and have babies.   Besides, a woman who was not competent to manage her own affairs.  That was her husband's job.

 

I chuckled when I saw your comments about whether you would be seated in the front or the back of the restaurant based on a 640 or a 680 or a 720 score.  Before FICO scores (and similar empirical credit scores) no one would have asked you about your credit score.  They would have looked at you and decided that since you were black or your name was Jewish, you couldn't come in at all; that since you were a woman, you could not sit in the bar area without being escorted by a male,  and if you looked appropriately rich, attractive and white you might get a seat in the front room.  Then (as now!) if you were a celebrity you got the best table in the house.

 

For all their flaws, credit scores, including FICO scores, were designed to judge you based on empirical data validated through millions of tests with a constantly updated algorithm.

 

And remember, credit scores weren't created to help you.  In fact you are irrelevant to the credit score.  They were created to help lenders quickly ascertain and price risk.  They weren't meant to say who is a good person, who is a bad person.  It is not a character score, it is a credit score, used to predict risk.  If it were not valid, the FICO company would not have collected $789 million in 2014.

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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

I enjoyed your response and comments

 

Once upon a time, going back into the stone ages, the 60'S, Commercial Credit was the Big Kahauna in my world.

 

CCC taught me the credit business not as an employee but using them all the time and hiring one of their managers.

They published a manual D.A.D. of which remembering the initials I have no reccolection of what the initials stood for.

It was the lending bible for CCC offices.

 

Married

Three years same employment

Buying a home vs renting

Three years same address

Telephone in own name

Caucasion vs anything else and you bet, it was in print.

Barber was a no no

Cop was a no no

Painter was a no no

Pastor/minister was a no no

Live in the wrong part of town, an immediate TD

 

And if an owner of a business, never put "Owner"

Opened up a whole new line of questions.

Put "General Manager" never owner/Pres or anything of the like.

 

So, imagine a non white barber, renting a home in the wrong part of town, without a telephone, and worse.

Maybe short time on the job, in the area..........................

...........He gets thrown out immedialy.

 

Same guy today with a strong score is in tall cotton of which I do not have any arguement at all with.

 

Back then it was how creative one could be while taking a credit appl.

Knowing what to ask and how to fill in the blanks on the app was all important.

 

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Anonymous
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So the system and people have progressed and changed for the better. It is a win win for all, provided you know how to operate within the system and are prepared to manipulate it and utilize it as much as it is prepared to do the same to you. There's room at the table for all, from low scorers to high scores, from the working class to the wealthy. 

 

The system may not be perfect (and it is far from it, no system is), but it has opened the doors of opportunity for far more people than ever before. 

 

Knowledge is power. So in all they getting..."get understanding."

 

Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Proverbs 4:7

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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

I'm not agreeing with your "Opening doors of opportunity" position.

I view it the other way.

 

A score in the low 6'S does' not allow people to even get in the door much less opening a door with any lender I deal with.

 

I sure dont understand how a door gets opened when a score below 640 (with my lenders) cant even get looked at?

 

The very lowest I can work with and it's just a couple of my lenders is a 640.

 

No doors opening that I'm aware of.

 

No "Human" looking at another "Human" in my world if score is lower than 640.

 

I dont agree with you at all.

Message 18 of 31
Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

The doors have been opened for more people than in the past, and people who would not have fit the demographic profile of the past. As you stated if the person wasn't from a certain demographic group, they weren't getting a loan or perhaps even an application. It is not like that now. If you have a certain Fico score, employment etc, you can qualify period. The color is green.  That's progress. 

 

The doors have never been open for eveyone. And honestly there may be people who should not be buying a home if their scores are 640 or less. That's just the reality. There may be issues not just with their credit scores, but income, past irregular or troubled payment history, DTI ratios etc. Their score is just one factor amongst several. Instead of trying to buy a home with such scores, credit counseling, budget counseling etc might be a better place to start to position them for buying a home and building a sound financial future. There are a number of programs to help people with 640 or even below such as FHA, USDA and local government programs for first time buyers. 

 

Most people never had any financial or credit education to start with whiile growing up so they are not entirely to blame. There was no training in the home. There was no training in high school or even college. And there were few positive role models to learn from.  That is not exactly the case now. There are a heck of a lot more resources available for people to self-educate and empower themselves to build a solid, and independent financial future for themselves and their children. But a person has to want to do it. They have to proverbally not ask for the fish, but how to fish or ask to be taught how to fish.  And they can be taken to the water, but they have to want to drink. 

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Anonymous
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Re: myFICO vs. Equifax Complete

Very well written and totally credable if I accept your premise that the credit scoring makes sense, is fair and balanced, and accurate.

 

I dont accept that premise which is the reason I posted in the first place.

 

Allow me to repeat myself a little.

 

Equifax says my score with Equifax is 704

 

MyFico, our host here, says my Equifax score is 676/678 or so.

 

Why is it I question why MyFico has a better understanding of my Equifax score than Equifax does or so they would appear to think?

 

I think I have a reasonable question, No?

 

I maintain there exists way too much disparity reporting agency to reporting agency.

 

In a perfect world I certainly agree with everything you've said.

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