topic Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial in Credit Card Applications

CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Tue, 06 Dec 2022 06:58:57 GMT

About 2 weeks ago i requested a cli on my 2800 firestone cc, instant denial. today i got the letter. reasons,

ACCOUNTS OPENED RECENTLY

LACK OF SATISFACTORY CREDIT HISTORY

OPEN DATE OF OLDEST REPORTED REVOLVING ACCOUNT TOO RECENT

NO AUTO LOANS REPORTED

I have read the ceiling on this card is 3200 so it would have been a small cli anyway.

What i found most interesting about the letter was a transunion score of 733 on 10/01/2022. None of my fico or vantage scores are that high, where the heck did they get that number?

I havent used the card for 2 years but recently they sent me an email saying the card will convert to a cobranded rewards visa/mc soon.

I plan to get an oil change there next week just to keep it open to see the rewards structure.

PS - The last auto loan i had was paid off in 2010

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

FireMedic1 — Tue, 06 Dec 2022 09:56:24 GMT

Do you have MyFICO 3B? Could have been Bankcard 8 or 9 FICO score.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Tue, 06 Dec 2022 11:59:52 GMT

@FireMedic1 wrote:
Do you have MyFICO 3B? Could have been Bankcard 8 or 9 FICO score.

Its not my fico's bankcard 8 or 9, all those are 680's to 690's, i have 2 scores over 700, 700 and 709, but they are auto loan scores.

I have the premium account here at my fico and none of the many scores is 733

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

805orbust — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 12:16:16 GMT

Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 12:25:58 GMT

@805orbust wrote:
Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.

I have vantage scores at ck, cs, and wallet hub. All of those are 708

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

OmarGB9 — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 19:44:55 GMT

@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@805orbust wrote:
Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.
I have vantage scores at ck, cs, and wallet hub. All of those are 708

But all those are VS 3.0, not 4.0. You can't get 4.0 scores outside of Synchrony cards I believe.

Did the letter not specify which version of TU? Or did they say they used the *information* from TU, but didn't actually get your score from there?

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Wed, 07 Dec 2022 20:19:21 GMT

@OmarGB9 wrote:
@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@805orbust wrote:
Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.
I have vantage scores at ck, cs, and wallet hub. All of those are 708
But all those are VS 3.0, not 4.0. You can't get 4.0 scores outside of Synchrony cards I believe.

Did the letter not specify which version of TU? Or did they say they used the *information* from TU, but didn't actually get your score from there?

No, the letter was worded " your credit score is 733 " . I assume it was transunion because the letter said if I find any innacuracies contact transunion. Upon reading the letter a few more times perhaps cfna has their own internal score like navy. In the letter they mention its a custom score and they said " the consumer reporting agency played no part in our decision "

the letter goes on to state that the credit reporting agency is unable to provide specific reasons for our decision.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

FinStar — Thu, 08 Dec 2022 00:09:28 GMT

@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@OmarGB9 wrote:
@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@805orbust wrote:
Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.
I have vantage scores at ck, cs, and wallet hub. All of those are 708
But all those are VS 3.0, not 4.0. You can't get 4.0 scores outside of Synchrony cards I believe.

Did the letter not specify which version of TU? Or did they say they used the *information* from TU, but didn't actually get your score from there?
No, the letter was worded " your credit score is 733 " . I assume it was transunion because the letter said if I find any innacuracies contact transunion. Upon reading the letter a few more times perhaps cfna has their own internal score like navy. In the letter they mention its a custom score and they said " the consumer reporting agency played no part in our decision "
the letter goes on to state that the credit reporting agency is unable to provide specific reasons for our decision.

A variety of lenders bake their own proprietary scoring criteria which is supplemental to the data supplied from any of the CRAs plus any scoring versions as applicable. So, since you observed a significant variance and the letter clearly mentioned it's a custom score, this would be no different than Chase, NFCU, Comenity/CCB and others who use their own proprietary models.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

OmarGB9 — Thu, 08 Dec 2022 06:50:36 GMT

@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@OmarGB9 wrote:
@SUPERSQUID wrote:
@805orbust wrote:
Could be a Vantage 4.0... you can't get those anywhere AFAIK.
I have vantage scores at ck, cs, and wallet hub. All of those are 708
But all those are VS 3.0, not 4.0. You can't get 4.0 scores outside of Synchrony cards I believe.

Did the letter not specify which version of TU? Or did they say they used the *information* from TU, but didn't actually get your score from there?
No, the letter was worded " your credit score is 733 " . I assume it was transunion because the letter said if I find any innacuracies contact transunion. Upon reading the letter a few more times perhaps cfna has their own internal score like navy. In the letter they mention its a custom score and they said " the consumer reporting agency played no part in our decision "
the letter goes on to state that the credit reporting agency is unable to provide specific reasons for our decision.

Mystery solved. Proprietary score it is then.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

Suzette2 — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 01:19:59 GMT

@SUPERSQUID wrote:
About 2 weeks ago i requested a cli on my 2800 firestone cc, instant denial. today i got the letter. reasons,
ACCOUNTS OPENED RECENTLY
LACK OF SATISFACTORY CREDIT HISTORY
OPEN DATE OF OLDEST REPORTED REVOLVING ACCOUNT TOO RECENT
NO AUTO LOANS REPORTED
I have read the ceiling on this card is 3200 so it would have been a small cli anyway.
What i found most interesting about the letter was a transunion score of 733 on 10/01/2022. None of my fico or vantage scores are that high, where the heck did they get that number?
I havent used the card for 2 years but recently they sent me an email saying the card will convert to a cobranded rewards visa/mc soon.
I plan to get an oil change there next week just to keep it open to see the rewards structure.

PS - The last auto loan i had was paid off in 2010

I honestly feel that that some providers are tightening CLI's due to the lousy economy and inflation. I saw a article this week in the WSJ that many are carrying higher credit card balances- not that you or anyone here that is educated is- but they don't see it that way. It's likely not you

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 10:39:39 GMT

@Suzette2 wrote:
@SUPERSQUID wrote:
About 2 weeks ago i requested a cli on my 2800 firestone cc, instant denial. today i got the letter. reasons,
ACCOUNTS OPENED RECENTLY
LACK OF SATISFACTORY CREDIT HISTORY
OPEN DATE OF OLDEST REPORTED REVOLVING ACCOUNT TOO RECENT
NO AUTO LOANS REPORTED
I have read the ceiling on this card is 3200 so it would have been a small cli anyway.
What i found most interesting about the letter was a transunion score of 733 on 10/01/2022. None of my fico or vantage scores are that high, where the heck did they get that number?
I havent used the card for 2 years but recently they sent me an email saying the card will convert to a cobranded rewards visa/mc soon.
I plan to get an oil change there next week just to keep it open to see the rewards structure.

PS - The last auto loan i had was paid off in 2010
I honestly feel that that some providers are tightening CLI's due to the lousy economy and inflation. I saw a article this week in the WSJ that many are carrying higher credit card balances- not that you or anyone here that is educated is- but they don't see it that way. It's likely not you

I dont feel bad about it, I havent used the card in 2 years so its basically my fault. I was merely trying to pump up the limit to the max 3200 before they started their conversion to mastercard. It wouldve been only a 400 cli anyway.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

mystikal1 — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 01:43:29 GMT

FYI the max is not $3200, we opened one 1 year ago with a $4500 SL. We haven't asked for CLI.

Re: CFNA Firestone credit cli denial

SUPERSQUID — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 05:26:42 GMT

@mystikal1 wrote:
FYI the max is not $3200, we opened one 1 year ago with a $4500 SL. We haven't asked for CLI.

My card started at 1000 back in oct/2020. Then they gave me an automatic cli of 1800 oct/2021 making my limit 2800.

I have a fairly recent bk7 on my reports and low income so I would imagine 4500 for me would be like flapping my arms and trying to reach the stratospere.

Thanks for the info anyway, it may be able to help someone.

ps - i've had nothing but bad experiences when i brought my vehicle to firestone including this week. The card was on my list of cards to close and i am just keeping it to scope out the mc conversion and see if its viable to use other than for vehicle service.