topic Re: Where to start? in Personal Finance

Where to start?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:14:00 GMT

Two weeks ago my car was totaled (not my fault). My insurance will be paying off my loan of $20,500. I will be walking away with about 2,200.

Once my loan is paid off my debt will be about $14,000 in credit card and $9,000 in student loans. Most of my cards are maxed and my credit score is 540. I am current on all my cards and student loans.

The loss of my car will free up about $500 month. I am currently borrowing a friend's car while she is recovering from a stroke.

I make $41,000 a year. I will need to buy another car (used and under $13,000). I before my accident I was looking into filing bankruptcy.

I would like to avoid bankruptcy if possible. Has anybody had any luck using a credit counseling service? I am open to suggestions.

I live rent free. I share a home with elderly parents and do help out with groceries and household expenses.

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:40:00 GMT

In my opinion, a DMP or credit counseling would not be in your best interest, especially since you’re current on your cards.

I guess i also question bankruptcy too (don’t forget, student loan debt can, typically, not be included in bankruptcy). Maybe I’m missing your overall financial picture, but making $41k a year with few financial obligations, outside of debt repayment, should leave enough cash flow to aggressively pay down that debt without the need for drastic measures.

I suspect your monthly, after tax, income is about $2500 +/- ? What are you current monthly financial obligations?

Is there the opportunity for supplemental income of some sort - like a second job - to speed up the process?

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:01:45 GMT

I think right now I am little overwhelmed dealing with the accident and now having to find a car. My actual take home is about 2,200 a month.

My only other financial obligations is a cell phone payment of $110 a month.

Getting a second job would be option, but my current job can be challenging (I work in the medical field). I think I just need to buckle down and watch where I spend my money.

Sometimes I think getting in this accident was a blessing in diguise. Yes, I loved my car but it's wasn't the best decision to buy such an expensive vehicle.

Re: Where to start?

JTC-137 — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:09:44 GMT

Sorry about your wreck, hope everyone is ok. So here’s my $0.02...I don’t think credit counseling is necessary, nor is filing bankruptcy. On the issue of the car: used definitely and nowhere close to 13k. How long can you borrow friend’s car? I’d either A. get what you can with your insurance check surplus or B. hold the money, borrow the car for another 2-4 months, and buy whatever can with the cash you’ve accumulated. I’d opt for “A” personally.

$41k after taxes is roughly $31k bring home, or $2,550/mo. Your debt totals $23k and your expenses seem minimal right now which is great. This is the perfect time to climb out of this. If you were to play it somewhat conservatively and throw $1,500/mo at your debt, you’d be out in under 18 months.

The first thing you should do is develop a budget. It should look something like this in your case (numbers just for example, adjust accordingly):

August 2019
Income: $2,550
1. Groceries $200
2. Transportation (fuel and insurance) $200
3. Household expenses $300
4. Debt payments $800
5. Put $1,000 in savings for emergency fund

September 2019
Income: $2,550
1. Groceries $200
2. Transportation (fuel and insurance) $200
3. Household expenses $300
4. Debt payments $1,800

It’ll take a month or two to get into a rhythm and yes it’ll hurt a little at first cutting that large debt check every month. But you’ll see progress and start gaining momentum quickly. I prefer the snowball method where you’ll pay the smallest balance card first while paying minimum payments on the rest and minimum on your student loan. Once that card is paid off, roll that payment into the next smallest card and so on.

After all is said and done you’ll be debt free and can save towards upgrading the car or any other goal you have. All that money that was going to credit cards and students loans is now YOURS to keep. By the way, I’ve grown quite accustomed to my “beater” and actually prefer it now 😁. Hopefully this gives you an idea of where to start and please don’t hesitate to ask questions!

Ps...definitely cut the cards up, freeze them in a block of ice, etc. This plan won’t work if you free up one card then run it up.

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 04:46:36 GMT

I walked away from the wreck unharmed. I was sideswiped by a semi.

One of my concerns is trying to find a reliable used vehicle. My commute to work is short, but I do like to take road trips from time to time. I do know that car requires maintenace, but I don't want a money pit. I actually never bought a used car. I would like to keep the loaner car for a month or two to pay off some debts before purchasing another car.

Re: Where to start?

SouthJamaica — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:57:35 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Two weeks ago my car was totaled (not my fault). My insurance will be paying off my loan of $20,500. I will be walking away with about 2,200.

Once my loan is paid off my debt will be about $14,000 in credit card and $9,000 in student loans. Most of my cards are maxed and my credit score is 540. I am current on all my cards and student loans.
The loss of my car will free up about $500 month. I am currently borrowing a friend's car while she is recovering from a stroke.

I make $41,000 a year. I will need to buy another car (used and under $13,000). I before my accident I was looking into filing bankruptcy.
I would like to avoid bankruptcy if possible. Has anybody had any luck using a credit counseling service? I am open to suggestions.

I live rent free. I share a home with elderly parents and do help out with groceries and household expenses.

Bankruptcy should be a last resort, and you are nowhere needing that.

The credit counseling stuff should be avoided as you will wind up with a 'settlement' of some sort which will damage your credit for years.

My advice is to just use the snowball method on your cards:

1. Stop using cards.
2. Pay off smallest balance first, then next smallest, and so on.
3. On other cards pay minimum + something each month.
As each balance turns to zero, that will free up your remaining monthly cash to apply to the next smallest balance.

Re: Where to start?

JTC-137 — Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:44:13 GMT

You have to ask yourself “do I prefer to take road trips or be out of debt?”. You originally said the budget for a replacement car was $13k vs a $2-$4k “beater”...that’s a difference of $10k for the occasional road trip. Also note in my post above there is no room in the budget for eating out or luxury items, at least until everything is paid off. Afterwards you can work those things in again. It takes a change in mentality and developing new behaviors to get out and stay out of debt.

The vehicle being reliable is a valid concern. One option is to find a promising car and pay a reputable mechanic $50-$75 to go through it, before you buy it of course. Just tell them you want to know if there are any outstanding issue or imminent large repairs that might be needed. You only need it to last 2 or 3 years. With a short commute to work it won’t take much to get the job done. You just need something to go from A to B as cheaply as possible for a while. The Camry, Accord, and Civic are some vehicles that come to mind known for longevity and cheaper maintenance.

Best of luck in whatever you decide

Re: Where to start?

AZEsq — Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:51:40 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I walked away from the wreck unharmed. I was sideswiped by a semi.

One of my concerns is trying to find a reliable used vehicle. My commute to work is short, but I do like to take road trips from time to time. I do know that car requires maintenace, but I don't want a money pit. I actually never bought a used car. I would like to keep the loaner car for a month or two to pay off some debts before purchasing another car.

Buy a sub $5K beater and RENT when you want to take road trips!! It's MUCH better to have a car that suits what you do 95% of the time than 5%. Trust me. Many of us have been down this road and realized after the fact how much we could have saved. Not having a car payment right now will permit you to meet a lot of financial milestones you may have thought were out of reach with your income, like investing, saving heavily, and maybe preparing to purchase your own property (or your parents' if they want to do some tax planning and get it transferred early). In any event, I would recommend that you talk to a fee-based financial planner, NOT a debt consolidation company. You can do this alone! Go to Undebt.it and set up a pay down plan. You have a fixed take home amount.

Please don't ruin your chances by taking out a car loan. Even a $5K loan would be egregious with a credit score of 540. Your best bet is to pay minimums a couple of months on everything (and may be defer a couple of student loan payments depending on the amounts), and buy a used Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, or Nissan with the lowest mileage you can get for around $3500. Even with high mileage, a Honda or Toyota would be a very reliable commuter car--make sure you take to an independent mechanic for an inspection prior to purchase--and with the money you save, you can get the platinum AAA plan lol. Seriously. You can get out of debt if you don't give in to the siren song of worrying about what other people will think of you. This is the song I sing daily. I have an 8 year old car and plan to drive it until it's 20 years old if it holds up. The things you "need" aren't really needs...just remember: Can I Afford It. If you can't pay cash, you can't. I would consider your credit OFF LIMITS until your scores are over 650. Take a look below at what your budget can get you. It's not all bad.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/Coupe/Upper+Marlboro+MD-20774?listingTypes=USED&searchRadius=50&zip=20774&startYear=1981&endYear=2020&marketExtension=true&maxPrice=3500&vehicleStyleCodes=COUPE%2CSEDAN&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 03:37:37 GMT

Thanks for the great information. I actually have deffered my student loans for about 6 months to help me get ahead. I already in the process of paying off two of smaller credit cards. I actually checked my credit score again and it is 590, not 540.

I have have been looking at used cars around my area. I also have a friend that is a mechanic that is helping me out as well. Hopefully, soon I can return this loaner and have my own car.

I know this will take time and work to on getting the debt down. I will admit I am not a great budgeter. I have been downsizing a lot of my personal stuff. I am learning if I don't have the cash, don't get it.

I am a work in progres. I have actually improved my credit to get the last car I bought. But then went down the rabbitt hole again.

Re: Where to start?

JTC-137 — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 04:59:11 GMT

Having a mechanic friend is always a GREAT asset! About the budgeting...you’re going to get really good at it, as that piece of the puzzle is essential. If you want to know how deep the rabbit hole can go, I too got caught up in a debt cycle. I went so far down it in fact that I discharged something ridiculous like $200k worth of debt in bankruptcy...and still came out of ch7 owing over $50k! Yeah, ouch. But now, no more debt and the bank account has never been happier. Life is more simple and less stressful. Budgeting was key.
Btw, please do keep us updated

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 19:25:39 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I walked away from the wreck unharmed. I was sideswiped by a semi.

One of my concerns is trying to find a reliable used vehicle. My commute to work is short, but I do like to take road trips from time to time. I do know that car requires maintenace, but I don't want a money pit. I actually never bought a used car. I would like to keep the loaner car for a month or two to pay off some debts before purchasing another car.

IMO your debt does not warrant bk. Student loans won't be discharged. If as you say its not far to work have you thought about a bicycle.

I believe at least one member here uses a bike. After hearing about about the bike beeing used my DW got her bike fixed up and can peddle down to the closest store about 1 1/2 miles away with ease. She does this sometimes on the weekends.

Re: Where to start?

OmarR — Sat, 27 Jul 2019 19:51:03 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I think I just need to buckle down and watch where I spend my money.

OP, I quoted your most important statement.

Buy a $2200 car and immediately cease all excessive spending. No roadtrips, going out, dining out, starbucks, netflix, amazon prime, cable, etc. I would also tell you that you need to get on a $50 cell phone plan, but something tells me that you already are on one, but the difference in amount is for the iphone that you financed on contract. You have no rent and no car payment. You make $41,000 a year and your only obligation is $110/month. Groceries, gas (to drive to work and back) and minimum auto insurance should be your only other expenses.

Most of us have been there, including myself, and changing is not easy. Right now you have a problem that can be solved in about 2-3 years under your current conditions. Without change, you will be at $50,000 in debt in the next 2-3 years.

Re: Where to start?

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 02:04:36 GMT

For the past week I have been working on my budget. I am using the app Debt Payoff Planner. It has shown me a plan for each month, which is a great help to me. I am still in the process of finding a car. I have been searching Craigslist, Cargurus, KBB, CarFax and Facebook market place. I also have informed my mechanic that I working for a good used car.

I actually rejoined myFico to check my current score, currently it is 691.

Re: Where to start?

Guyatthebeach — Sun, 11 Aug 2019 21:36:44 GMT

Orcoastgal71,

I'm sorry to hear about your car accident. I actually think you can restructure you debt without having to go the bankruptcy route. You indicated that you have will have additional $500 free until you pruchase another vehicle, so you have something to work with.

If I were in your position, I would contact credit counciling(CCCA is free and will not do a forced settlement) to see if they can come up with a plan to help lower the interest on your debt. If not then, I would use a $1000 left over from your accident to pay down your debt. Then I would use the extra $250 each month to pay down your credit card debt. Using the minimum payments to cover the interest and basically 1% of the balance, and just the extra $250 a month, you will pay off your credit card debt in 4.3 years. There is an assumption that you will not incurr any more credit card debt and you will not have a significant increase on your card's APR.

You also indicated you are using your income to support your parents' household. I would call your student loan provider and see if you can lower payment, explaining that you are having to help your parents. The worst they are going to say is no. If they are able to lower your payment, I would use the saving from the student loan payment to pay off your credit card debt.

With regards to buying a new car, I would save the remaining $1200 for a down payment. I would definitely try to hold off on buying a car as long as possibe, becuase you can use the addition $250 to go down toward your down payment. I would work on finding something under $250 month while you work on paying down your credit card debt. I would also try to workon building up your saving, even if it's a couple of bucks every paycheck.

I had to declare bankruptcy because I had over 180k in unsecured debt. I do believe it's possible for you to do this without too much sacrificie.

Guyatthebeach

Re: Where to start?

RSX — Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:41:07 GMT

All good advice here. The only thing I will add is that you can always rent a car for the times you want do a long trip and are concerned about reliability.

You will be surprised how few times you will need to do this. And it is much cheaper than paying every month, for something you rarely need

all the best.