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Please share your negotiation techniques.

wmarat — Tue, 20 May 2008 03:31:13 GMT

I am about to buy new car. The only negotiation technique I know is to say thank you for your time and walk away (it's actually worked once).

I am going to buy Toyota RAV4 and trade in my Toyota Corolla, the difference should not be more then 10k, approved for penfed autoloan (15k). Fico's in my sig.

How should I approach to this task.

Any input is highly appreciated.

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:54:36 GMT

Assuming you are purchasing new:

Once you test drive the vehicle and decide it is the one you want to buy ask to see their invoice for that particular vehicle (make sure the VIN's match). Right now because of the supposed recession you should be able to purchase it for their invoice (they get kickbacks from the manufacturer to make up that "loss" they show you on paper)

You should have no problem qualifying for their incentive APR rates. If you need to go longer terms (over 48 months) you shouldn't go any higher than 5.9%

Stick to your guns that you know these things for FACT and they will give in.

Assuming it is used:

Don't go by Kelly Blue Book value use something like NADA to find out Wholesale values to give you an idea of what they would pay the person trading it in and start negotiations somewhere in the middle of KBB and Wholesale....

APR's used should be 1% to 2% higher.

I bought new in January and after 4.5 hours I got everything I wanted. Research is key when negotiating.

Good Luck!

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:02:21 GMT

When you're ready to buy, go on the last Monday of the month. The sales people are eager to make their quotas for the month, and Monday is the slowest sales day for them.

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MidnightVoice — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:14:07 GMT

1111mel wrote:

You should have no problem qualifying for their incentive APR rates. If you need to go longer terms (over 48 months) you shouldn't go any higher than 5.9%

Should be able to get 4.9% for 60 months at the moment. or [possibly lower (with Toyota, they pulled EQ on me)

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:35:46 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Assuming you are purchasing new:

Once you test drive the vehicle and decide it is the one you want to buy ask to see their invoice for that particular vehicle (make sure the VIN's match). Right now because of the supposed recession you should be able to purchase it for their invoice (they get kickbacks from the manufacturer to make up that "loss" they show you on paper)

Not always, even during slow times. You're gonna have a much harder time getting invoice on a Toyota or a Honda than on a Chevy. Toyotas and Hondas always sell well. And they don't get kick backs on every single vehicle... only vehicles that cause them to reach certain milestones. You would probably do better offering $500 over invoice, which is sort of the defacto standard for new car sales since everyone knows invoice prices these days. Is it so unreasonable of them to want to make a profit?

I wouldn't recommend asking to see their invoice. That might really piss them off and it will also make you look belligerent and unreasonable. Besides, you can look at the invoice price online at edmunds.

http://www.edmunds.com/

I don't think Toyotas have a lot of possible options so it shouldn't be too hard to pick out a couple of vehicles that you might want and know what the dealer invoice is.

Also keep in mind that if you have a trade the stingier you get on the new vehicle price the stingier they're gonna get on the trade-in value. If you get a great deal on their car, like invoice price, why shouldn't they get a great deal on yours? They're gonna make money one way or another, that's what they're in business to do. Your best chance of getting a very good deal is by being reasonable.

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

marty56 — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:19:38 GMT

I'm gonna take Luca Brasi with me on my next car purchase.

Seriously, its best to take another person with you who can watch your back and get you to get up and leave when it looks like the deal will go south.

My sister is an lawyer and very good at bending the will of even the most stuborn car sales persons. I going to buy my Subaru in Dallas and she will be my wingman.

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 18:46:52 GMT

Never ever ever buy from a floor sales person. Always always always only deal directly with the fleet or internet sale managers.

Like the people before me said, do the research, find out what that car is going for (I like to use edmunds, it breaks the invoice down and gives average sales prices for people in your area), and make them an offer.

A reasonable price is 2-300 over invoice for a lower end car, and 5-800 over invoice for a higher end car, but of course they can be had for less than invoice if the car isn't selling well or if there are manufacturer rebats.

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Tue, 20 May 2008 18:54:37 GMT

A dealers Invoice on average is about $2k less than MSRP for a car in the $20-$30k price range (or at least my experience with both Mitsubishi and Nissan)

If you start your inquiry by using the Internet Sales Manager that is usually a good place to start because they cut the price faster than just any person you walk up to on the floor.....

Always ask to see the Invoice on the car you want, but already know what it should look like by doing research. If a salesperson doesn't want to show you the Invoice then you don't want to deal with them. It doesn't insult them to ask.

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wmarat — Tue, 20 May 2008 23:21:15 GMT

Thanks guys. I am prepered to use carsdirect.com prices, they are lower than edmunds. I am taking with me my wife, she doesnot speek English so salesperson cannot speek to her directly.

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 00:49:54 GMT

When dealing with the internet sales manager, is it best to negotiate through email?

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Takunda1 — Wed, 21 May 2008 04:04:47 GMT

vesper wrote:
When dealing with the internet sales manager, is it best to negotiate through email?

Yes. I used email to get my first bmw 3 series. I never saw the person I was emailing until the day she delivered my car. Such a smooth process. With email the good thing is that you can have everything documented. If you are going to trade in your car I recommend first going to CARMAX if you have one, and hear what they would offer you for your vehicle. They do free quotes, so charges there. Good Luck.

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Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 05:07:54 GMT

When I dealt with the Internet manager it was all by email. When I showed up to test drive the car he found for me he pawned me off on a floor guy. But I had the Documentation where the IM said he could get me a certain price. As soon as I showed the email I got what I wanted (the new guy tried to get me to pay more)

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 16:20:42 GMT

@Takunda1 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
When dealing with the internet sales manager, is it best to negotiate through email?
Yes. I used email to get my first bmw 3 series. I never saw the person I was emailing until the day she delivered my car. Such a smooth process. With email the good thing is that you can have everything documented. If you are going to trade in your car I recommend first going to CARMAX if you have one, and hear what they would offer you for your vehicle. They do free quotes, so charges there. Good Luck.

Thanks! Yeah, I'm going to carmax this week to see what they can give me. If it is way below KBB than I will probably try and sell it myself and get a car in July. My friend used to work at carmax and said they don't go too below KBB, so hopefully i will get lucky!

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

wmarat — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:53:29 GMT

What carmax is?

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:04:31 GMT

http://www2.carmax.com/

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 18:33:27 GMT

If you can deal by e-mail then definitely do that. I was the internet sales person for a while at my dealership and with most quote requests on new cars I'd walk up to the new car manager and he'd give me his lowest possible price immediately. They know you're emailing a half dozen other dealerships and they're not gonna screw around like they will if you're in the show room.

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Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 19:54:58 GMT

good to know Rev...thanks!

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Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:00:12 GMT

i'm thinking.....should I email all 3 dealers (cc'ing) that have contacted me and say this is what want and this is the price I want to pay...and see which one wants my business that way?

Re: Please share your negotiation techniques.

Anonymous — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:22:12 GMT

I wouldn't thow out a price. What if they were willing to go lower? You'd never know.

Instead, I'd ask them for their best price. JMHO.

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FICOfit — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:39:46 GMT

Never throw a price out that you are willing to pay. They may be willing to go lower. It may take longer, but worth it in the end. Also, if you are financing through the dealer, never tell them what you want your monthly payments to be. Again, they may go lower than you wanted and if you tell them what you want to pay, it may be harder to get them to budge once they get there. I found this out the hard way