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Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:40:14 GMT

I am a contractor and most of the times getting paid cash (I stated correct income). Amex requested copy of my bank statement or tax form to verify my income. My income is not visible there, so I am not too sure about my next step. My credit is only 4 months old, and they said that these request was made because my FICO score is not generated yet. What happens if I don't comply with their request and re apply in 3 months? Will I automatically get FR request again since I didn't comply these time?

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:42:22 GMT

Possibly. Call recon and talk to them. Explain that they wont find much in your statement in terms of direct deposit. Ask if a W2 will suffice.

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CreditCuriosity — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 02:57:40 GMT

If you don't comply the simply won't issue you the card... Why can't you provide them with bank statements? Seems pretty easy to me...Most people have a bank account and do deposits into them even if you are consulting.. Or do you just cash your checks and keep the cash?

So you get paid cash I am guessing as long as they can see the deposits into your bank acocunt that might work, if not then you might be SOL if you are getting paid under the table.. Curious what others have to say about this.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Zorasmiles — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:00:38 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I am a contractor and most of the times getting paid cash (I stated correct income). Amex requested copy of my bank statement or tax form to verify my income. My income is not visible there, so I am not too sure about my next step. My credit is only 4 months old, and they said that these request was made because my FICO score is not generated yet. What happens if I don't comply with their request and re apply in 3 months? Will I automatically get FR request again since I didn't comply these time?

Simply put AMEX will cancel your accounts if you don't submit your bank statements or tax income for verification. Considering the strict requirements applying in 3 months with a FICO will yield the same results or an automatic denial. Being a contractor you will always show the gross income but whatever you write off for adjustments to yield your gross will affect you as well. I believe perhaps this is what AMEX is looking for.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

wacdenney — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:04:33 GMT

I've never understood why anyone wouldn't just send them what they asked for. If you send them your bank statement and tax return then the worse thing that can happen is you don't get the card. If you don't send them the forms then you DEFINATELY don't get the card. By not sending it you are guaranteed the worse possible outcome.

Send them the paperwork so you at least have a chance at getting approved. Why wouldn't you?!?

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:06:17 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I am a contractor and most of the times getting paid cash (I stated correct income). Amex requested copy of my bank statement or tax form to verify my income. My income is not visible there, so I am not too sure about my next step. My credit is only 4 months old, and they said that these request was made because my FICO score is not generated yet. What happens if I don't comply with their request and re apply in 3 months? Will I automatically get FR request again since I didn't comply these time?

If you don't comply, your account will be noted and everytime you apply you will be FR.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:10:57 GMT

I keep cash..

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Zorasmiles — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:17:40 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I keep cash..

Kind of figured that much lol Which in itself is a reason a lot of folks have been tagged for failure to pay taxes lol Either you want the card or you don't..it's your call.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Open123 — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:18:23 GMT

@wacdenney wrote:
I've never understood why anyone wouldn't just send them what they asked for.

Well, from my perspective, there are several reasons.

1. Privacy - none of theirs or anyone's business.

2. Increase risk of security breach.

3. Inconvenience.

If Amex processes information, say, in India where US privacy laws do not apply, there is most assuredly a very good reason not to provide such senstive information for a credit card.

So, the just give them what they ask for makes very little sense to me. If their CCs aren't that important to the OP, I'd tell them to pound sand.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Zorasmiles — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:24:01 GMT

@Open123 wrote:
@wacdenney wrote:
I've never understood why anyone wouldn't just send them what they asked for.
Well, from my perspective, there are several reasons.

1. Privacy - none of theirs or anyone's business.
2. Increase risk of security breach.
3. Inconvenience.

If Amex processes information, say, in India where US privacy laws do not apply, there is most assuredly a very good reason not to provide such senstive information for a credit card.

So, the just give them what they ask for makes very little sense to me. If their CCs aren't that important to the OP, I'd tell them to pound sand.

Hence why OP can either submit the requested data or move on to another CC issuer. There are quite a few threads where FR's have been an issue for the applicant.

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wacdenney — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:30:39 GMT

If you harbor illusions of privacy then you're kidding yourself. Income verification isn't anything unusual especially for a contractor. I have been through it several times with different venders for materials in the past.

The bottom line is if you want the card then send them your info. If you don't send it you will NOT get the card guaranteed. If you think anything electronic is private anymore then think again.

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Open123 — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:33:04 GMT

@wacdenney wrote:
If you harbor illusions of privacy then you're kidding yourself. Income verification isn't anything unusual especially for a contractor. I have been through it several times with different venders for materials in the past.

The bottom line is if you want the card then send them your info. If you don't send it you will NOT get the card guaranteed. If you think anything electronic is private anymore then think again.

Sure, but there's no need to increase one's risk exposure. At least, on US Soil, I can sue for a breach, which I can't if it occurs in India. To take this extra risk, any CC had better be worth it.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

CreditCuriosity — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:43:18 GMT

OP stated he keeps cash.. So most likely he doesn't have much w/regards to bank statement or is avoiding taxes being paid under the table is what I am starting to believe. Not saying this is the case, but if OP is paid under the table, AMEX probably isn't the card for him... I guess that brings to question how in the heck are you going to make you CC payments if you "Keep cash"

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lg8302ch — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:42:29 GMT

If I would ever need to supply proof of income I would be very happy Amex would ask just for bank statements and accept these because I do not have tax return as I file taxes outside the US. Why not simply submit the tax returns? I assume you do file? I never understand why this is such a big issue in the US. In Europe you hardy get a credit card without proof of income.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Open123 — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 03:46:58 GMT

@lg8302ch wrote:
If I would ever need to supply proof of income I would be very happy Amex would ask just for bank statements and accept these because I do not have tax return as I file taxes outside the US. Why not simply submit the tax returns? I assume you do file? I never understand why this is such a big issue in the US. In Europe you hardy get a credit card without proof of income.

In America, at least my generation, we don't like to answer questions, value our privacy, and don't like to be over regluated. We're very different from Europeans, though this is changing with the new generation.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:14:49 GMT

@Open123 wrote:
@wacdenney wrote:
I've never understood why anyone wouldn't just send them what they asked for.
Well, from my perspective, there are several reasons.

1. Privacy - none of theirs or anyone's business.
2. Increase risk of security breach.
3. Inconvenience.

If Amex processes information, say, in India where US privacy laws do not apply, there is most assuredly a very good reason not to provide such senstive information for a credit card.

So, the just give them what they ask for makes very little sense to me. If their CCs aren't that important to the OP, I'd tell them to pound sand.

+1

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NRB525 — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:21:47 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I am a contractor and most of the times getting paid cash (I stated correct income). Amex requested copy of my bank statement or tax form to verify my income. My income is not visible there, so I am not too sure about my next step. My credit is only 4 months old, and they said that these request was made because my FICO score is not generated yet. What happens if I don't comply with their request and re apply in 3 months? Will I automatically get FR request again since I didn't comply these time?

You should ask the AMEX CSR for the filled out IRS form 4506-T which will give them access to your tax return information, probably for 2013 tax year and 2012. Print, Sign and fax that over. With that information, AMEX will be able to get comfortable with your income flow, since you don't have a credit report generating yet.

The alternative is to wait until later in the year, after whatever credit items you have begin to report a payment history, and your credit file generates a FICO score, and they may be fine with that as well.

You don't have to send in your bank statements if you follow one of the two paths above. But you will need to follow one of the three paths to get an AMEX

Good luck!

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lg8302ch — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 04:34:29 GMT

@Open123 wrote:
@lg8302ch wrote:
If I would ever need to supply proof of income I would be very happy Amex would ask just for bank statements and accept these because I do not have tax return as I file taxes outside the US. Why not simply submit the tax returns? I assume you do file? I never understand why this is such a big issue in the US. In Europe you hardy get a credit card without proof of income.
In America, at least my generation, we don't like to answer questions, value our privacy, and don't like to be over regluated. We're very different from Europeans, though this is changing with the new generation.

Tja...but in the US the CRAs keep so much info that is definitely never kept in other parts of the world. You provide income and get credit but then if you have no baddies your file remains empty. Many would have a problem here with the type of info the CRAs are keeping ....so I guess you get used to what is mandatory and anything extra is annoying for some and others do not mind because they have seen worse..lol. For me it is still worse that every single move on my credit behaviour is registered in the US and I prefer to provide my income for an app and then left alone as long as I do not generate baddies.

Re: Amex requested my bank statement to approve my application.

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 05:20:17 GMT

@lg8302ch wrote:
@Open123 wrote:
@lg8302ch wrote:
If I would ever need to supply proof of income I would be very happy Amex would ask just for bank statements and accept these because I do not have tax return as I file taxes outside the US. Why not simply submit the tax returns? I assume you do file? I never understand why this is such a big issue in the US. In Europe you hardy get a credit card without proof of income.
In America, at least my generation, we don't like to answer questions, value our privacy, and don't like to be over regluated. We're very different from Europeans, though this is changing with the new generation.
Tja...but in the US the CRAs keep so much info that is definitely never kept in other parts of the world. You provide income and get credit but then if you have no baddies your file remains empty. Many would have a problem here with the type of info the CRAs are keeping ....so I guess you get used to what is mandatory and anything extra is annoying for some and others do not mind because they have seen worse..lol. For me it is still worse that every single move on my credit behaviour is registered in the US and I prefer to provide my income for an app and then left alone as long as I do not generate baddies.

I think part of the issue is that Amex is still relatively unusual in asking for tax returns (although other issuers do sometimes, but much less so).

So I have yet to hear, for example "I applied for a mortgage with Wells Fargo, and, can you believe it, they asked for my tax returns!!! " because for mortgages, tax returns are absolutely standard for all but no-documentation loans. But they are not in the US for credit cards. And I think it is this unusualness , rather than sentiments like "tax is between me and the Federal government", which isn't invoked for the mortgage case. And since there is competition that doesn't usually need tax returns, some of us look on Amex's requests with other than blind obedience.

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Open123 — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 05:30:49 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I think part of the issue is that Amex is still relatively unusual in asking for tax returns (although other issuers do sometimes, but much less so).

So I have yet to hear, for example "I applied for a mortgage with Wells Fargo, and, can you believe it, they asked for my tax returns!!! " because for mortgages, tax returns are absolutely standard for all but no-documentation loans. But they are not in the US for credit cards. And I think it is this unusualness , rather than sentiments like "tax is between me and the Federal government", which isn't invoked for the mortgage case. And since there is competition that doesn't usually need tax returns, some of us look on Amex's requests with other than blind obedience.

Personally, I find the prospects of having to prove income or provide tax returns for the average $5K - $10K CL obscene. Now, $50K or $100K, I can understand a higher level of scrutiny, but for anything under $10K? I'd hang up the phone if any issuer ever requested proof for a $10K CL.