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Hotel cards...

Anonymous — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:14:06 GMT

Anyone have a preference and reasons for them? I've looked closely at AMEX Hilton Honors vs. Marriott, and while Hilton seemingly offers better incentives for use of their card with 5% and 3% categories on regular spend, their redemptions don't seem to go that far. Marriott's redemptions are pretty impressive at first glance. Any insight on these two cards? Thanks in advance!

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Anonymous — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:23:13 GMT

Hi! I am an Hhonors member, and I have the Citi Hhonors card. I also used to work for Hilton properies. Here is an old thread from March that will help and I explained how Hhonors points is used. I hope this help you.

http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/Citi-Hilton-75k-Signup-Bonus/td-p/4520358

I never stayed in Marriott properies before so this is just my opinion and I am sure there are others who can give their two cents to help you

Re: Hotel cards...

Closingracer99 — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:28:16 GMT

Between Hilton Cards the Amex one is better flat out... same benefits but better point earning with a min of 3x points compared to 2X with the Citi one. The only advantage the citi one has is that it is a Visa.

As far as hotels goes I typically stay in Hilton brand ones or IHG. Have stayed in Marriott ones and like them but the price is out of my budget typically wherever I go. Both cards are good with the AF version of Hilton is $75 and you get Gold status with offers some good perks. The Marriott cards $85 AF easily gets paid off with the free room voucher so theres that.

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Anonymous — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:36:24 GMT

I'm kind of looking at the AMEX SPG card because you can transfer it's points to airlines, which is really more what I am after as I don't typically stay in chain hotels when traveling.

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Creditplz — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:39:45 GMT

I would go with the Marriott or SPG because I typically stay in them. Again whatever suits your needs.

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wasCB14 — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:41:20 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Anyone have a preference and reasons for them? I've looked closely at AMEX Hilton Honors vs. Marriott, and while Hilton seemingly offers better incentives for use of their card with 5% and 3% categories on regular spend, their redemptions don't seem to go that far. Marriott's redemptions are pretty impressive at first glance. Any insight on these two cards? Thanks in advance!

In 2015 I paid $145 for a 70k Hilton property, and I think $202 for a 45k Marriott property (taxes included). I might go for a signup bonus, but I'm not rushing to make either an everyday card based on those kinds of redemptions. Mostly I stay at IHG properties, and earn points unconventionally, rather than through everyday spend on the Chase MC.

Be aware, though, that the Priority Pass Select on the Amex HHonors Surpass (the AF one) isn't as good as what's on the Amex Platinum...which, in turn, isn't as good as what Prestige offers.

Re: Hotel cards...

Closingracer99 — Wed, 18 May 2016 16:43:12 GMT

@wasCB14 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
Anyone have a preference and reasons for them? I've looked closely at AMEX Hilton Honors vs. Marriott, and while Hilton seemingly offers better incentives for use of their card with 5% and 3% categories on regular spend, their redemptions don't seem to go that far. Marriott's redemptions are pretty impressive at first glance. Any insight on these two cards? Thanks in advance!
In 2015 I paid $145 for a 70k Hilton property, and I think $202 for a 45k Marriott property (taxes included). I might go for a signup bonus, but I'm not rushing to make either an everyday card based on those kinds of redemptions. Mostly I stay at IHG properties, and earn points unconventionally, rather than through everyday spend on the Chase MC.

Be aware, though, that the Priority Pass Select on the Amex HHonors Surpass (the AF one) isn't as good as what's on the Amex Platinum...which, in turn, isn't as good as what Prestige offers.

Well duh? The AF on the AF Hilton Amex is $75 and the Amex plat and Citi Presitge is $450.....

Re: Hotel cards...

wasCB14 — Wed, 18 May 2016 17:02:14 GMT

@Closingracer99 wrote:
@wasCB14 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
Anyone have a preference and reasons for them? I've looked closely at AMEX Hilton Honors vs. Marriott, and while Hilton seemingly offers better incentives for use of their card with 5% and 3% categories on regular spend, their redemptions don't seem to go that far. Marriott's redemptions are pretty impressive at first glance. Any insight on these two cards? Thanks in advance!
In 2015 I paid $145 for a 70k Hilton property, and I think $202 for a 45k Marriott property (taxes included). I might go for a signup bonus, but I'm not rushing to make either an everyday card based on those kinds of redemptions. Mostly I stay at IHG properties, and earn points unconventionally, rather than through everyday spend on the Chase MC.

Be aware, though, that the Priority Pass Select on the Amex HHonors Surpass (the AF one) isn't as good as what's on the Amex Platinum...which, in turn, isn't as good as what Prestige offers.

Well duh? The AF on the AF Hilton Amex is $75 and the Amex plat and Citi Presitge is $450.....

I'm not commenting on annual fees vs. card value. I'm saying it can be confusing when three different cards all offer something called "Priority Pass Select", but all three have different lounge access fee schedules in the fine print.

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Anonymous — Wed, 18 May 2016 17:17:56 GMT

<raises hand> I'm a big Marriott fan here. I have the Chase MRP card and it has served me well. I have several free nights I have not used but as one would expect they are for category 5 and lower hotels, and those tend to not be so convenient for the places we travel. With regards to Marriott I have always found them exceptionally accomodating whether you are at the Ritz, one of the boutiques, or the Fairfield Inn.

I have zero doubts people say the same thing for Hilton properties so to me it's just which one do you want to get hitched with and stay in that family.

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UncleB — Wed, 18 May 2016 19:17:43 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
I'm kind of looking at the AMEX SPG card because you can transfer it's points to airlines, which is really more what I am after as I don't typically stay in chain hotels when traveling.

I don't typically stay in chain hotels either, that's why I prefer cards that give 3% cash back for travel (including hotels).

I personally use the Sam's Club MasterCard, but the new Citi Costco Visa and the Bank of America AAA Visa also have 3% travel rewards that would include hotels.

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Sharingan — Wed, 18 May 2016 19:50:06 GMT

Both Marriott and Hilton have ample opportunities to amass a large amount of points via promotions to offset the lower value. When it comes to the credit cards, I exclusively hang onto my Marriott card for the free annual night, which generally allows me to realize $125+ in savings after the card's annual fee. Otherwise, I'm not too invested in the Marriott program. As for Hilton, I do have the Citi version (no AF). The AmEx version is better unless you are like me, who is at their AmEx revolver limit and needs those slots for AmEx's better products. This isn't an issue with Citi, as I currently find most of their products uninteresting except for the Double Cash. I am also a Hilton Diamond Elite member, so I do prefer them over most other hotel chains.

For me, most of my hotel cards are some of my most valuable credit cards, especially my IHG card. It's fairly easy to realize a value with them, especially if you would need to purchase a night anyway that is capable of being covered by the annual night certificate.

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redpat — Wed, 18 May 2016 20:52:47 GMT

The best hotel cards IMO are plat and prestige you are not stuck with one chain and great perks without redeeming points.

I know about the AF, but if you really travel the AFs are inconsequential..

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wasCB14 — Thu, 19 May 2016 01:48:49 GMT

@redpat wrote:
The best hotel cards IMO are plat and prestige you are not stuck with one chain and great perks without redeeming points.

I know about the AF, but if you really travel the AFs are inconsequential..

So true. I got approved for Prestige 10 days ago and I'm already looking at $400+ in statement credits (airfare and 4th night).

Re: Hotel cards...

jsucool76 — Thu, 19 May 2016 02:00:49 GMT

@wasCB14 wrote:
@Closingracer99 wrote:
@wasCB14 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
Anyone have a preference and reasons for them? I've looked closely at AMEX Hilton Honors vs. Marriott, and while Hilton seemingly offers better incentives for use of their card with 5% and 3% categories on regular spend, their redemptions don't seem to go that far. Marriott's redemptions are pretty impressive at first glance. Any insight on these two cards? Thanks in advance!
In 2015 I paid $145 for a 70k Hilton property, and I think $202 for a 45k Marriott property (taxes included). I might go for a signup bonus, but I'm not rushing to make either an everyday card based on those kinds of redemptions. Mostly I stay at IHG properties, and earn points unconventionally, rather than through everyday spend on the Chase MC.

Be aware, though, that the Priority Pass Select on the Amex HHonors Surpass (the AF one) isn't as good as what's on the Amex Platinum...which, in turn, isn't as good as what Prestige offers.

Well duh? The AF on the AF Hilton Amex is $75 and the Amex plat and Citi Presitge is $450.....
I'm not commenting on annual fees vs. card value. I'm saying it can be confusing when three different cards all offer something called "Priority Pass Select", but all three have different lounge access fee schedules in the fine print.

While they all offer priority pass select, they offer different tiers of priority pass select.

Priority pass select is the name of the program basically. and there are three levels

Standard ($99) - Access is $27 per person (including the member and any guests).

Standard Plus ($249) -- Members receive 10 free visits, after which they are charged $27 per person, per entry. Guest access is $27 per person.

Prestige ($399) -- Members receive unlimited free access to any Priority Pass lounge for the entire year. Guest access is $27 per person.

The amex platinum, and citi prestige card offer the prestige level of priority pass select, however, citi foots the bill for multiple guests.

As far as hotel preferences go, my tip to you is this:

If there is somewhere you travel to often, either to visit family, or go to theme parks, or just a place you like to visit, pick a chain that has the largest footprint in that area,

If you just go wherever willy nilly, I would suggest reading up on the benefits of different hotel programs, and picking one that fits your needs. I 99% of the time use marriott, and I carry the marriott premier visa, as well as the ritz carlton credit card which gives me gold status with 10k spend annually.

I have SPG and Hilton gold status as well through my amex platinum card, and hyatt platinum status. I'll only really stay at these brands if there is a large price difference, or if no marriott is available.

Hilton's mid tier benefits, along with marriotts are among the strongest in the industry, including free breakfast and "potential" room upgrades, free enhanced wifi, and other perks that you may be able to squeeze out of a hotel, but aren't guaranteed. (Waived resort or parking fees)

Hyatt diamond status is a great level, but their footprint is very limited.

Wyndham is an often overlooked program, and with their program having been revamped fairly recently, all hotels only cost 15k points, regardless of price. Some of their hotels are on the pretty low end, but some of the larger resorts can be wonderful. You just need to find one. They won't be in rural areas.

IHG is also a great program, with decent earning potential, and the credit card offers a free night at ANY hotel, again, regardless of price. You just need to find availability.

Edit: I'll add in, unafilliated premium travel cards can be EXTREMELY valuable as well if you don't want to stick to one chain. The citi prestige cards 4th night free benefit is the strongest in the industry, allowing a free night on all stays of 4+ nights, regardless of price. If your stays are usually shorter though, this may not be great. Citi prestige also offers special benefits at Ritz and Four Seasons hotels, though I'm not sure if this can be combined with the 4th night free benfit.

Amex platinums FHR is also a strong program, but if you don't stay at high end luxury hotels it might not be for you.