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    <title>topic Re: HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease in Credit Cards</title>
    <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894855#M1429059</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Did your utilization go up?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:39:10 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-03-20T10:39:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894852#M1429057</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;All,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Here is the alert that I got over the weekend from myFICO. I read some posts in here that closing an account would not hurt scores, AAoA, etc. if the account is closed, because it stays on your report for about 10 years. I closed the account due to it having a Monthly and Annual Fee, and I was fairly confident after researching everything that it would not drop my score.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Is there anything I can do? I did notice that it doesn't say closed account, but paid loan. This was not a loan. Should I dispute?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://secure.myfico.com/alerts#?aID=33335986_ma" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;603&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score_delta ng-binding red_arrow"&gt;39&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_date ng-binding"&gt;3/18/2017 &lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_source ng-binding"&gt;Experian&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alert_title ng-binding"&gt;An account listed on your credit report has been updated&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="accordion hide-for-small-only"&gt;&lt;DIV class="content mc_alertsDetails_content ns_ma ns_mam"&gt;&lt;DIV class="mc_alertsDetails_midS panelbox ng-scope"&gt;FICO® SCORE CHANGE&lt;DIV class="score_change ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="singlescore ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="yourscore"&gt;642&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://secure.myfico.com/static/images/icons/score-change-arrow.png" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;DIV class="singlescore ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="yourscore"&gt;603&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;A href="https://secure.myfico.com/scores?bureau=EXP" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="bt pl panelst"&gt;View score history&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="mc_alertsDetails_botD panelbox ng-scope"&gt;DETAILS&lt;DIV class="panelst ptitle bb pl ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="alertDetailsCompany ng-binding"&gt;COMPANY NAME&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding"&gt;FIRST PREMIER BANK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="panelst panelstWrap detail"&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;AMOUNT&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding capIt"&gt;$0.00&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;STATUS&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding capIt"&gt;Paid Loan&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN class="panelst bb hl"&gt;What does this mean?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="panelst pl"&gt;Dispute this change&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:33:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894852#M1429057</guid>
      <dc:creator>steele70</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T10:33:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894855#M1429059</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Did your utilization go up?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:39:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894855#M1429059</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T10:39:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894858#M1429062</link>
      <description>Something else triggered the score change. UTI would more than likely be the issue. Example it you had 2 cards both with a 1000 SL and had 500 reporting you'd have 25% UTI. Close 1 and you jump to 50%.&lt;BR /&gt;UTI has no memory, bring the UTI down to 1-9% scores will come right back.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:44:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894858#M1429062</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T10:44:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894860#M1429064</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/788462"&gt;@steele70&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;All,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Here is the alert that I got over the weekend from myFICO. I read some posts in here that closing an account would not hurt scores, AAoA, etc. if the account is closed, because it stays on your report for about 10 years. I closed the account due to it having a Monthly and Annual Fee, and I was fairly confident after researching everything that it would not drop my score.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Is there anything I can do? I did notice that it doesn't say closed account, but paid loan. This was not a loan. Should I dispute?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://secure.myfico.com/alerts#?aID=33335986_ma" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_namewrap"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_new_score ng-scope ng-binding"&gt;603&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_score_delta ng-binding red_arrow"&gt;39&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_date ng-binding"&gt;3/18/2017 &lt;SPAN class="mc_alerts_source ng-binding"&gt;Experian&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="mc_alert_title ng-binding"&gt;An account listed on your credit report has been updated&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="accordion hide-for-small-only"&gt;&lt;DIV class="content mc_alertsDetails_content ns_ma ns_mam"&gt;&lt;DIV class="mc_alertsDetails_midS panelbox ng-scope"&gt;FICO® SCORE CHANGE&lt;DIV class="score_change ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="singlescore ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="yourscore"&gt;642&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;IMG src="https://secure.myfico.com/static/images/icons/score-change-arrow.png" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;DIV class="singlescore ng-scope"&gt;&lt;DIV class="yourscore"&gt;603&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;A href="https://secure.myfico.com/scores?bureau=EXP" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="bt pl panelst"&gt;View score history&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="mc_alertsDetails_botD panelbox ng-scope"&gt;DETAILS&lt;DIV class="panelst ptitle bb pl ng-scope"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="alertDetailsCompany ng-binding"&gt;COMPANY NAME&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding"&gt;FIRST PREMIER BANK&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="panelst panelstWrap detail"&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;AMOUNT&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding capIt"&gt;$0.00&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;STATUS&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN class="ng-binding capIt"&gt;Paid Loan&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;SPAN class="panelst bb hl"&gt;What does this mean?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN class="panelst pl"&gt;Dispute this change&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;There isn't really anything to dispute. &amp;nbsp;The language of paid loan is the common terminology for an account that is closed with no balance due. &amp;nbsp; Assuming your utlization did not shoot up my guess is that your scores will recover. &amp;nbsp;The double edged sword of Myfico membership is these alerts that happen all the time. &amp;nbsp;Building your fico scores is a long term proposition so we have to fight the temptation to react or panic when these changes happen. &amp;nbsp; Closeing this card was the right thing to do in the long term, whenever I close an account I take a hit short term, heck I have taken hits when I do all of the right things but as long as I am trending up month to month or quarter to quarter I feel like I am in good shape. &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;There is a fico score section where those folks might be able to help a little more, they seem to know more of the secret magic than most.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:48:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894860#M1429064</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T10:48:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: HELP!!! First Premier Closed, 39 point decrease</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894951#M1429108</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;As said, you're OK.&amp;nbsp; Its UTL that is droping your score, not AAoA.&amp;nbsp; Once you drop&amp;nbsp; % of UTL and your scores will rebound.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What I used to do was&amp;nbsp;knowing I would close a card, I would add one before I closed one.&amp;nbsp; That helped keep drops to a&amp;nbsp;minimum for UTL.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If the plan is to close but not replace the card, you're seeing the result if UTL is high.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The scores change quite a bit sometimes, with some very wild swings. You just have to find your&amp;nbsp;rhythm &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:12:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Credit-Cards/HELP-First-Premier-Closed-39-point-decrease/m-p/4894951#M1429108</guid>
      <dc:creator>Chickenpotpie</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-20T14:12:29Z</dc:date>
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