topic Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe in Credit Cards

Using chip+sig cards in Europe

MrDisco99 — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:09:41 GMT

So I know in Europe, the locals all have chip+PIN cards and they look at you funny if you try to use a swipe card in some places. How exactly does a chip+sig card work over there, though?

Like, when the server brings you the check at a restaurant, usually they'll bring the POS machine with it and let you do the honors. Do you still have to sign something? Does it ask for a PIN? Do you just swipe it instead?

Also, I understand there are some differences even among chip+PIN. For example, if I have a Barclay chip+PIN card, am I still going to have similar problems as with a chip+sig card?

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:20:19 GMT

Well actually, in my home country, all cards are chip with pin, only card with signature is Diners. So because all US credit cards have chip but no pin, it will work with signature. And they will be confused why is on signature without pin. Having chip is no more secured then signature because there is no point honestly without having a pin. So your cards will work chip + signature or swipe + signature.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

simplynoir — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:29:24 GMT

Do merchants in Europe have a preference though?

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

AverageJoesCredit — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:30:19 GMT

Fish and chips?

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:32:33 GMT

I live in Germany as a part of the Army. All merchants here only use the chip and require a signature but no pin. The signature on the back of the cards is what they go by. I've had no problems using my Visa or MasterCard here but Amex is a hit or miss. At the gas stations though they take anything. If you have any more questions feel free to shoot me an email!
Best,
Vic

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:36:16 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Well actually, in my home country, all cards are chip with pin, only card with signature is Diners. So because all US credit cards have chip but no pin, it will work with signature. And they will be confused why is on signature without pin. Having chip is no more secured then signature because there is no point honestly without having a pin. So your cards will work chip + signature or swipe + signature.

That's not quite true. There are several US issued true Chip and PIN credit cards. The BMO Harris bank issued Diners Elite that quite a few of us have (no longer issued) and several credit unions like United NATIONS FCU issue such cards.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

wasCB14 — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:55:58 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Well actually, in my home country, all cards are chip with pin, only card with signature is Diners. So because all US credit cards have chip but no pin, it will work with signature. And they will be confused why is on signature without pin. Having chip is no more secured then signature because there is no point honestly without having a pin. So your cards will work chip + signature or swipe + signature.

That's true in the case of a stolen card, but surely the chip makes a card significantly more difficult to clone?

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

UpperNwGuy — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:45:20 GMT

There are four types of credit cards issued in the US:

1. Magnetic strip only cards. These cards are pretty much useless in Europe. Leave them at home. I got rid of my last such card two months ago.

2. Chip+signature. These will work where there is a human being to process your transaction. You will sign a slip of paper like you do in the US. Waiters often act annoyed when they see one of these cards because they have to go find a pen, and they have to keep track of the signed slip of paper. Sometimes these cards will work without signature for unattended transactions at train ticket machines, subway fare machines, parking garages, toll booths, etc. Other times not. My Chase United Explorer and Chase Sapphire Reserve fall into this category.

3. Chip+PIN with signature preference (this preference is coded into the chip by the card issuer). This card works exactly like the chip+signature card (#2) when a human being processes your transaction, but the card will require you to use your PIN for unattended transactions (like #4). All four of my NFCU and PFCU cards fall into this category. I believe that the Barclay cards do as well, but I have no experience.

4. Chip+PIN with PIN preference (the preference is coded into the chip by the card issuer). This card always requires a PIN. Waiters will love you. Shopkeepers will love you. Why? Because this how the European cards work. My UNFCU Azure Visa falls into this category, and that is the reason why I keep this card despite its mediocre rewards program.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

DantGwyrdd — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 21:54:09 GMT

I haven't had issues with my Capital One chip + sig, the merchants get confused when it doesn't prompt for a pin, but it works.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

K-in-Boston — Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:07:02 GMT

FANTASTIC summary, UpperNwGuy!

Even in Canada, you will get strange looks in some places for a.) not having "tap" (contactless card) like everyone else and b.) the confusion on why there's a signature slip printing out. In much of Europe (continental and otherwise), you'll find that most shops are not even allowed to use magnetic stripe cards so you need chip + signature at worst and preferably chip + PIN. Hotels and airports you're usually fine no matter what.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

MASTERNC — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 13:41:09 GMT

I've been to Europe three times with chip cards (both signature and PIN preferring) and have rarely had any issues. Maybe it's because most of my stops were in cities, but everyone I saw had a pen handy for signatures, and nobody ever asked for passports or IDs to compare signatures. The only problem was a parking garage kiosk in Florence, which would not take a card without a PIN at all (though one card with PIN backup didn't work either - the bank claimed it was a bad card).

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

UpperNwGuy — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:03:12 GMT

@MASTERNC wrote:
I've been to Europe three times with chip cards (both signature and PIN preferring) and have rarely had any issues. Maybe it's because most of my stops were in cities, but everyone I saw had a pen handy for signatures, and nobody ever asked for passports or IDs to compare signatures. The only problem was a parking garage kiosk in Florence, which would not take a card without a PIN at all (though one card with PIN backup didn't work either - the bank claimed it was a bad card).

Was the "bad card" by any chance from Barclay? I've read reports on other websites of their cards sometimes not working for unattended transactions.

Re: Using chip+sig cards in Europe

MASTERNC — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:22:54 GMT

@UpperNwGuy wrote:
@MASTERNC wrote:
I've been to Europe three times with chip cards (both signature and PIN preferring) and have rarely had any issues. Maybe it's because most of my stops were in cities, but everyone I saw had a pen handy for signatures, and nobody ever asked for passports or IDs to compare signatures. The only problem was a parking garage kiosk in Florence, which would not take a card without a PIN at all (though one card with PIN backup didn't work either - the bank claimed it was a bad card).
Was the "bad card" by any chance from Barclay? I've read reports on other websites of their cards sometimes not working for unattended transactions.

Indeed it was (AA Aviator). However, I think my dad tried his card and it worked.