topic Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus in Credit Cards

New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:12:54 GMT

Both interesting upgrades and especially with Marriott with now finally combining with SPG. I’ve usually always stayed at Marriots (not a crazy amount maybe 5x year) however the new Chase Hyatt card is pretty appealing. I’ve always loved their high end resorts say in Aruba.

Which do you guys prefer? They both seem like can even be used as a daily if needed.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

iced — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:32:08 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Both interesting upgrades and especially with Marriott with now finally combining with SPG. I’ve usually always stayed at Marriots (not a crazy amount maybe 5x year) however the new Chase Hyatt card is pretty appealing. I’ve always loved their high end resorts say in Aruba.

Which do you guys prefer? They both seem like can even be used as a daily if needed.

My personal feeling is that accruing hotel points through credit cards isn't an optimal use of card spend. Hotel points tend to have among the lowest valuations of any type of point, and aside from the occasional high multiple for a specific spend category, they are generally not worth it.

The value in hotel cards will lay more in the perks they bestow. For someone who cannot or does not attain hotel status benefits through stays or nights, a card can be valuable. For those who stay enough to qualify for a mid-tier but may be able to push to a higher tier of status with a card (night credits, for example), a hotel card can be valuable.

As a means to accrue hotel points, hotel cards are not that valuable excepting someone who has heavy spend ($100,000+) annually with a particular hotel chain. Even then, since hotels code as travel, miles could be accrued on a card at a rate that would still outvalue the hotel points.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

wasCB14 — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:12:39 GMT

Hyatt has a much smaller footprint, but the points are fairly valuable, even for a basic member or Discoverist. I think iced is right that hotel points are generally worth less than airline miles, but I would say Hyatt points are an exception. Again, the downside is there aren't a lot of Hyatts.

The new Hyatt could be a good daily driver for someone who might reach elite Explorist or Globalist...or likes Hyatts but wants to keep complexity and annual fees down. At five stays a year, though, that's not much of a chance to enjoy elite status.

Personally, I spend more on UR cards. I accept that I will stay at Discoverist, and just focus on earning a lot of URs.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:09:40 GMT

Good points . Yeah the fact Hyatt’s aren’t as convenient as Marriott is big. I also did some searching of some hotels if I used Hyatt points and it’s pretty hard to book. Seems like you have to book really early. I’ve always though been a fan of their hotels however.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:25:36 GMT

I went through the same decision making process and went with the Hyatt card. Mostly because of what I have read about Hyatt redemptions, the free night working at the Grand Hyatt in DC, and their points value - a lot of potential bookings I looked at for real dates I needed returned 3 cpp value.

I also didn’t want to fall into the loyalty program trap that I have with frequent flyer status, so I liked that Hyatt didn’t give you status that lured me in too much, unlike the highest AF Hilton card.

So my plans is to transfer UR to Hyatt to book more extravagant vacations, and weekend city events. Then stick to Hotels Tonight, for most of my bookings.

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Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:17:40 GMT

How are you using the spend on it? Is it your daily?

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

minski — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:52:48 GMT

What are the thoughts about keeping the cards not for benefits or spend but for the free anniversary night? Would it be worth it?

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:07:42 GMT

This was my thought as well.

Up to 35K redemption. That’s pretty good and more than covers the annual fee.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

iced — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 14:22:31 GMT

@minski wrote:
What are the thoughts about keeping the cards not for benefits or spend but for the free anniversary night? Would it be worth it?

Situational. Some people have regularly planned stays every year that fall into the category restrictions of the free night certs that make them worth it. Others may struggle to find sufficient value in them to warrant the AF.

I personally struggle a bit with certs (Marriott) as I only tend to stay at properties where the certs are invalid. I'll accrue a few throughout the year from various promotions and usually have to manufacture a weekend trip somewhere to burn them. It's not so bad when they're free, but I'm not sure I would want to pay $85 for something I'm forcing myself to use every year.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:33:55 GMT

Is the Marriott points 6x PLUS the 5x you get being a member? If it’s 11x then that’s pretty good. Was curious on this.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

iced — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:09:27 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Is the Marriott points 6x PLUS the 5x you get being a member? If it’s 11x then that’s pretty good. Was curious on this.

If you're asking if the card lets you double-dip on top of the points you're earning via stays, the answer is yes.

As a Platinum, I earn 15 points per dollar (10 standard +5 for Platinum), plus any bonus arrival points. If I used a Marriott card to pay for the room, it would be the 15 points/dollar + 6 for 21/dollar.

Does it add up? Sure. If I spend $20,000 at Marriott this year, I'd earn 300,000 points through the stays plus 120,000 on the card (if I used it). I could also put it on another card (CSR for instance) and still earn the 300,000 points plus 60,000 miles, which are worth much more than the 120,000 points to me. This is why I ultimately do not use a hotel card for hotel stays - the points are worth less per unit than airline miles and I already have a significant stream of hotel points coming in, so I find more value from using the spend to accumulate miles rather than more hotel points. If someone stays at Marriotts a lot and almost never flies, the math may well work out different, but the two are more often than not joined at the hip so having plenty of both is ideal.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:24:20 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Both interesting upgrades and especially with Marriott with now finally combining with SPG. I’ve usually always stayed at Marriots (not a crazy amount maybe 5x year) however the new Chase Hyatt card is pretty appealing. I’ve always loved their high end resorts say in Aruba.

Which do you guys prefer? They both seem like can even be used as a daily if needed.

Good luck staying at the Hyatt with points in Aruba. I have never seen availability. Marriott on the other hand you have 3 choices of hotels in Aruba with plenty of availablity year round: Ritz, Stellaris, and Renassaince. I stayed at the Sellaris last year on the Tradewinds level and next year I am staying at the Ritz.

Marriott has a ton more hotels and a lot more availablity. If you are only going to use one I would pick Marriott. That being said I would do Hyatt as well for the sign up bonus. 60k Hyatt points is worth around 1100 dollars. Nothing to sneeze at. Last month I spent a week at a Hyatt at a local beach for just points. Not a great hotel but the rate at the time was 330 dollars a night. And in October I am staying 4 nights at the Hotel Madeline in Paris for free. Which is over 500 dollars a night at the time.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 22:59:35 GMT

@minski wrote:
What are the thoughts about keeping the cards not for benefits or spend but for the free anniversary night? Would it be worth it?

I have the same thoughts as well. I have the Original Hyatt card and SPG card, which both come with the annual free night. I could care less about elite status since I don’t stay at hotels that often.

Perhaps a good way to use these certificates could be for a nights stay before an early morning flight. That’s still highly dependent on how close one stays to an airport though.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

jdbkiang — Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:55:10 GMT

I think the ability to double dip with hotel CC’s is the biggest advantage. I have 3 hotel cards, even though I don’t necessarily stay at hotels too often, I find the free night isn’t hard for me to use and the AF pays for itself. Of course, with the CSR, I use the hotel cards almost exclusively at the hotel (because of double dipping), and the points do add up. Hyatt points are usually worth more in CCP, but if you’re only going to choose one, the Marriott might be better because of their footprint.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 03:11:56 GMT

Agreed with the double dipping. The11x points essentially with Marriott is a pretty large amount.

Really leaning towards the Marriott card. I like it because it’s straight up 2% on all other purchases. Basically a no AF 2% with the free night. My Uber is my daily but I would even use it pretty heavily on the daily.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 19:07:20 GMT

@iced wrote:
@AnonymousMy personal feeling is that accruing hotel points through credit cards isn't an optimal use of card spend. Hotel points tend to have among the lowest valuations of any type of point, and aside from the occasional high multiple for a specific spend category, they are generally not worth it.

Agreed. I use Orbitz Visa as my hotel card. Gives me 5% back on hotels booked on Orbitz. Being an Orbitz club member gives another 3-5% depending if you book on the app or just online. Finally, connecting to Orbitz through BeFrugal gives another 3%. So I get 10-11% back on hotels, am not limited to one chain's offering, and can take advantage of sales.

As a bonus, the Orbitz Visa gives 2% back on non-Orbitz purchases. So instead of using Citi Double Cash Back for the miscellaneous low-reward stuff, I use Orbitz Visa to build up hotel credit.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

wasCB14 — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 19:21:31 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Agreed with the double dipping. The11x points essentially with Marriott is a pretty large amount.

Really leaning towards the Marriott card. I like it because it’s straight up 2% on all other purchases. Basically a no AF 2% with the free night. My Uber is my daily but I would even use it pretty heavily on the daily.

Getting 1 cpp at Marriott is a YMMV thing...especially without meaningful status.

*Milb beat me to it.

Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:02:22 GMT

2nd post - I think this post got removed for spam, can a mod please PM me if there is something wrong with it?

Just clarifying that the Marriott card is not a 2% card, but a 2 Marriott point per $1, which in most valuations are worth less than a 1c.

Also double dipping exists on most hotel credit cards, with the Hyatt I believe you get 5x as standard, 0.5x extra from status obtained with credit card and 4x on the cards. I’d say roughly a Hyatt point is worth at least double a Marriott point.

As another +1 for Hyatt, I believe they are the only one to waive resort fees on point stays, which can make the points worth even more than first appear.

Another observation I have had when staying at hotels for work is that the Hyatt app price typically is on point with cheap last minute booking places. Meaning I can book through Hyatt and receive the points and small benefits. I have not had that experience with other programs.

It’s also worth considering value you get out of points transfer partners into each Hotel program. What I have seen from collecting UR, is that I get much better value transferring at 1:1 into Hyatt than 1:1 into Marriott (not sure if it is still 1:1).

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UncleB — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:12:59 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
2nd post - I think this post got removed for spam, can a mod please PM me if there is something wrong with it?

Hi @Anonymous, your other posts got flagged due to your multiple edits... I'm pulling them from the quarantine but will remove them since you've re-posted.

If you have the problem again simply post in the Technical Help forum or PM a moderator instead of posting again (re-posting usually compounds the issue.)

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Re: New World of Hyatt vs. Marriott Premier Plus

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:25:29 GMT

Yes, meant 2 points a dollar not 2%.

Ugh, I’m struggling to figure out which travel card to apply for. Decision decisions.

You all have gave great input. I looked on Hyatt and their redemptions are pretty good value. It’s basically down to the World Hyatt, MR Plus, CSR, and TY Premier for me.