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Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 08:38:52 GMT

Currently working through some *heavy* debt. Home ownership, unexpected expenses, and authorized users with access to HCLs that left me high and dry and holding a very large bag. Everything is in good/great standing except my wallet and my soul.

That being said, I have a *conservative* payoff projection model and all seems well and good. Having to get into a car loan after 10 years was not only a sticker shock, but it push my payoff date back. I was able to get it into a 4.49% just last year, so small favors and stuff.

However, I intended to open either a BCE or BCP for the 0% interest BT as I have an Everyday Card with a 27k+ CL that is sock drawered at the moment. I have a decent balance coming due in Aug and I knew I'd be able to allocate credit if needed. Plus I think it would be an SP.

Welp, I opened that card YEARS ago and so I didn't know there was now a BT max of $7500. It was so long ago they didn't even have a BT fee for the card!

I'm completely lost on what I want to do now. I was incredibly committed to this card choice and spent months reviewing before I picked it for the plan... I don't know how I missed the BT max 🤦‍♀️

Any BT card recommendations or if I should just keep rolling in between existing card offers--or even if Amex BC still has merit/value with the low BT line. And if Amex is still in the running, BCP or BCE? Both targeted offers give an extra $50 on the normal sub, but BCP is only 12 mo 0% promo. AF is waived so I'm not considering that since I can always downgrade.

Alright. Enough yapping. Here's the mess...

Credit Profile

Income: 135K

DTI: 42% WITHOUT cards 🙃 - about 51% with them.

Scores: 766EQ/738TU/754EX

(idk y TU is so dramatic all the time-I think she's missing an acct)

Revolving Lines:

Total CL: 197,550

Total Bal: 52,500

Total Utl: 25%
AoA: 6 years

Installment Lines:

Mortgage: 326,000 (2022)

Vehicle: 32,000 (2024)

Personal: 28,350 (2023) - 50% complete

Student loans: 🤷‍♀️ under 10k>

HPs:

2 Vehicle Loan (though one is reading finance and not auto?- it was an immediate refi with a CU) - Nov 2024

1 credit card - March 2024

1 personal loan - Aug 2023

Current Products (undated are 5-10 yrs old):

DISC IT - 76%

$19,931 out of $26,200

BOA Custom (opened 2022) - 73%

$21,951 out of $30,000

Prime/Chase - 16%

$1,809 out of $11,000

NFCU Plat - 11% (moving to boa)

$3450 out of $32,000

CITI DC - 19% (moving 50% to boa)

$4380 out of $23,000

C1 Savor (legacy) - 10%

$1,663 out of $17,000

PayPal CB (opened 2024) - 6%

$671 out of $11,000

Barclay (originally Uber) - 1%

$86 out of $12,300

Amex Everyday - 0.5%

$86 out of $27,300

C1 QS - 0%

$0 out of $7,750

Statements balances for regular APR accts are always paid off (save for timing issues where I may no-fee BT to NFCU for a month or so at 10.24%). When it's a 0% promo I only pay the minimum, so the interest is the 3%-5% transfer fee.

We're short on capital as you can see with my DTI, so leveraging my credit is currently our only option. The kid is too young to work, and since it's just me and him I'm doing my best to make more money. Budget is made and managed with future expense projections but not including future income projection to give us a leg up in the event of increases, and personal loan (9.22%) will free up some cash in no time.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GZG — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:49:42 GMT

assuming the prime card is over a year old and you're under 5/24, could try for a slate edge and you can add most of your chase prime card limit to whatever they give you on the slate edge

you can also try applying for another nfcu plat and requesting moving over limit from your current plat to the new one to take advantage of the low apr SUB

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:10:24 GMT

Do you have anything you can sell? You'd be suprised how much junk you can have laying around that is unused. I was at $41k and plan to have mine paid off by end of this year. Already over 50% paid off this year. Mine was related to divorce and actually a smart move, but sucky year paying it back.

Other options are getting a side gig or part time job to pay it off as they interest headwinds are fierce with 20+ % interest. That much debt I'd search for one of the banks that does a debt consolidation. I think you will be hard pressed to get credit card companies to let that amount get BT and based on your debt load you'd probably not be able to pay it all off during the 0% term anyways.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:03:57 GMT

@FICOdawg wrote:
Do you have anything you can sell? You'd be suprised how much junk you can have laying around that is unused. I was at $41k and plan to have mine paid off by end of this year. Already over 50% paid off this year.

I do, but I'm a terrible seller of things. As harshly as I was done over-- I was probably equally incredibly blessed. I tend to end up just giving stuff away, but I'm working on a garage sale and doing market place stuff.

Other options are getting a side gig or part time job to pay it off

I'm also working on that piece. It's just me and the kid, so unfortunately I'm not always flexible. He's already latchkey, but he's also it... so there are time where him > debt-free. I spent a lot of time working to get to where we were at--and then was ironically exploited right before the years I promised I'd be around. But **bleep**, I've been looking at donating effing plasma during my lunch/meeting breaks. I also have room to rent, but it hasn't worked out for me in the past. I'm not very good at picking people who pay their bills, obviously.

they interest headwinds are fierce with 20+ % interest. That much debt I'd search for one of the banks that does a debt consolidation. I think you will be hard pressed to get credit card companies to let that amount get BT

I already paid the revolving statement balances off every month with whatever available net pay, and shuffle anything unexpected to the HLC with 0% promos. The highest interest rate I pay is 10.24% from the NFCU when I have a timing issue with either BTs or paychecks.

based on your debt load you'd probably not be able to pay it all off during the 0% term anyways.

No, I definitely won't be paying it off any time soon. I have pretty regular BT offers with Discover and BoA, and unfortunately cycle for the moment--there are current ones available right now as I guess they figured out after all this time it's the only way to make money off me.

I know they aren't guaranteed which is why I was hoping for a third product to hedge my bets in the future, separate out some of this utilization...and reduce the BT fee as most intros are a little lower in cost. I *currently* do have CL high enough with Disc and BoA to continue the cycle-I just roll to NFCU and then roll back..might cost me $25-$100 depending on the number of days it stays there. At the most desperate, NFCU is 32K and only 10.24%.

My personal loan is 9.22% and will be paid off in 2 years which will free up a decent chunk of money... plus I haven't seen rates that decent (for anything 48+) in a while with Prime being what it is. Plus the personal loans kill my DTI which is also impacts rates/approvals. My payoff plan model calcs everything as if it was around 8%-11% (including the 0%s), so I have a legitimate but conservative (long term) end date in sight.

I'm just trying to leverage what I have as best I can, and hopefully with the least amount of interest as truly possible. Even through all this I didn't miss a payment, I never went late, I got increase on top of increase-**bleep** I got a 4.49% on a long term *used* car loan when prime was 8.50% and my DTI was ruined. I pay my debts - and that means even when it wasn't money I spent. And also, since I made this post, I just got a 4490 CLI on BOA and a (paultry) 1K on Disc.

My broker's hoping we can reduce my home insurance/car insurance in aug, and I should just need to finish the remodel on my powder room and paint my exterior and we may also be able to drop PMI. If that works out we can add a little bit to the repayment funds. I also had an escrow shortage because mortage servicers can't do math so it should also go down some more once that is caught up.

But long story long -- is there a particular card that make the most sense? Wells Fargo, Citi, and Amex send me BT card preapproval mailers every week. Those are the big names, but I don't know much about other options. In additional, already having an Amex might mean SP so even with the super low BT it might still be the best option? I was a slam dunk when I thought there would be enough to do a big transfer and save that 1%-2% BT fee, but I'm just not thinking straight.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:15:39 GMT

@GZG wrote:
assuming the prime card is over a year old and you're under 5/24, could try for a slate edge and you can add most of your chase prime card limit to whatever they give you on the slate edge

Unfortunately Chase is probably a no go with my DTI. They don't really give me CLIs either - I've had them for almost 8 years, regularly spend, and we're still just at 11K. I think I have gotten mailers, but I'm not confident with them.

you can also try applying for another nfcu plat and requesting moving over limit from your current plat to the new one to take advantage of the low apr SUB

I will take a look at their cards. I honestly never think about them since they aren't a 0% anymore and never over 12 mo--but I should sit down and do the math as the 0.99% could still be a valuable option.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

SouthJamaica — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 21:43:30 GMT

Your best bet would be to look at credit union platinum cards, many of which have no balance transfer fee.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Thu, 10 Jul 2025 22:05:19 GMT

@SouthJamaica wrote:
Your best bet would be to look at credit union platinum cards, many of which have no balance transfer fee.

is that just for the no BT fee? Do you know any with some long-term 0% APRs specifically--it might be lenient to my poo poo profile?

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

SouthJamaica — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 05:16:09 GMT

@GratefulGabby wrote:
@SouthJamaica wrote:
Your best bet would be to look at credit union platinum cards, many of which have no balance transfer fee.
is that just for the no BT fee? Do you know any with some long-term 0% APRs specifically--it might be lenient to my poo poo profile?

Many have promo offers, some of which offer 0%, but many of which offer 2.9% or something like that.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

ptatohed — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 06:32:55 GMT

I know this can be a debatable topic, but what about a HELOC? How much equity do you have?

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 12:31:03 GMT

@GratefulGabby wrote:

@FICOdawg wrote:
Do you have anything you can sell? You'd be suprised how much junk you can have laying around that is unused. I was at $41k and plan to have mine paid off by end of this year. Already over 50% paid off this year.

I do, but I'm a terrible seller of things. As harshly as I was done over-- I was probably equally incredibly blessed. I tend to end up just giving stuff away, but I'm working on a garage sale and doing market place stuff.

Other options are getting a side gig or part time job to pay it off
I'm also working on that piece. It's just me and the kid, so unfortunately I'm not always flexible. He's already latchkey, but he's also it... so there are time where him > debt-free. I spent a lot of time working to get to where we were at--and then was ironically exploited right before the years I promised I'd be around. But **bleep**, I've been looking at donating effing plasma during my lunch/meeting breaks. I also have room to rent, but it hasn't worked out for me in the past. I'm not very good at picking people who pay their bills, obviously.

they interest headwinds are fierce with 20+ % interest. That much debt I'd search for one of the banks that does a debt consolidation. I think you will be hard pressed to get credit card companies to let that amount get BT
I already paid the revolving statement balances off every month with whatever available net pay, and shuffle anything unexpected to the HLC with 0% promos. The highest interest rate I pay is 10.24% from the NFCU when I have a timing issue with either BTs or paychecks.

based on your debt load you'd probably not be able to pay it all off during the 0% term anyways.
No, I definitely won't be paying it off any time soon. I have pretty regular BT offers with Discover and BoA, and unfortunately cycle for the moment--there are current ones available right now as I guess they figured out after all this time it's the only way to make money off me.

I know they aren't guaranteed which is why I was hoping for a third product to hedge my bets in the future, separate out some of this utilization...and reduce the BT fee as most intros are a little lower in cost. I *currently* do have CL high enough with Disc and BoA to continue the cycle-I just roll to NFCU and then roll back..might cost me $25-$100 depending on the number of days it stays there. At the most desperate, NFCU is 32K and only 10.24%.

My personal loan is 9.22% and will be paid off in 2 years which will free up a decent chunk of money... plus I haven't seen rates that decent (for anything 48+) in a while with Prime being what it is. Plus the personal loans kill my DTI which is also impacts rates/approvals. My payoff plan model calcs everything as if it was around 8%-11% (including the 0%s), so I have a legitimate but conservative (long term) end date in sight.

I'm just trying to leverage what I have as best I can, and hopefully with the least amount of interest as truly possible. Even through all this I didn't miss a payment, I never went late, I got increase on top of increase-**bleep** I got a 4.49% on a long term *used* car loan when prime was 8.50% and my DTI was ruined. I pay my debts - and that means even when it wasn't money I spent. And also, since I made this post, I just got a 4490 CLI on BOA and a (paultry) 1K on Disc.

My broker's hoping we can reduce my home insurance/car insurance in aug, and I should just need to finish the remodel on my powder room and paint my exterior and we may also be able to drop PMI. If that works out we can add a little bit to the repayment funds. I also had an escrow shortage because mortage servicers can't do math so it should also go down some more once that is caught up.

But long story long -- is there a particular card that make the most sense? Wells Fargo, Citi, and Amex send me BT card preapproval mailers every week. Those are the big names, but I don't know much about other options. In additional, already having an Amex might mean SP so even with the super low BT it might still be the best option? I was a slam dunk when I thought there would be enough to do a big transfer and save that 1%-2% BT fee, but I'm just not thinking straight.

Some unsolicited advice here but to build up to that much CC debt means you need to stop funding a lifestyle on credit. I'd pay the cards off using debt snowball. I'd consider selling the car and getting a $10k car so you free up more cash with no payment. I'd also consider downsizing your home but don't know where you live/equity and those details. Moving the deck chairs around using BTs is a Sisyphean task and doesn't address the core issue. I don't see a clear debt repayment path in your initial post.

I have substantial retirement savings, make $50k/year more than you and don't have mortgage or children at home anymore. I was getting letters for debt consolidation when my CC debt spiked during the divorce. I KNEW I could handle the debt in a year and wanted to preserve my tax deferred accounts and chose to aggressively pay it off this year. This is one of my main beefs about FICO as you and I would be considered similar in scoring despite I could pull money from my Roth IRA today and pay off my remainining balance. I'm zero risk. My score is recovering quickly but a huge blind spot in credit score modeling.

Your debt is controlling your life and most likely you're currently underfunding your retirement. The debt treadmill sucks. If I were you I'd get one of the debt consolidation loans and lock away the credit cards so you can't touch them and just maintain them for credit limit utilization.

Not judging you in anyway but it's going to take a major mindset change to get out of your situation and stay there. Don't buy crap you don't need.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:25:04 GMT

Some unsolicited advice here but to build up to that much CC debt means you need to stop funding a lifestyle on credit. I'd pay the cards off using debt snowball.

Like I said initially - a good percent of the unsecured debt was incurred by an authorized user with impulsive habits, inability to think long term, and no accountability for their choices. They no longer have access to my money, and therefore the impulsive spending has ceased. Unfortunately with their departure also went an additional 4K net income that was used to pay off their purchases in the past, and left me with the liability of money I didn't know I had spent. That is something I do feel responsible for, as I should have had eyes on the accounts I could inevitably have to pay for. That was one of the most short sighted things I've done in my life I will be paying for it for years to come.

I'd consider selling the car and getting a $10k car so you free up more cash with no payment. I'd also consider downsizing your home but don't know where you live/equity and those details. Moving the deck chairs around using BTs is a Sisyphean task and doesn't address the core issue. I don't see a clear debt repayment path in your initial post.

I had a the 5K-15K cars for most of my life, and just lost the 10+ year old car I consistently repaired as to not risk increasing my credit usage. In hindsight, I should have let it go along time ago since the cost of repair plus short-term travel arrangments added up to significantly more than I would have paid in monthly payments-and still left me without a car in the end. Out here even high mileage used cars are 15K+, and I don't have the ability to pay that outright with the liabilities I have every month. It would still require financing--at likely a risky rate. Nor do I have access to a cheap and reliable mechanic in the event of any issues. It's unfortunately a thing a lot of people take for granted. I have learned in life I cannot rely on people to do the right thing or even do things right.

I have about 100K in equity in the home--there is no "down sizing". Possibly an extra 25k-50k more post a few repairs, but there is nothing that would be less aside from renting a small apartment and even that wouldn't be much less and it would cost me the equity.

Like I said before, the behavioral issue surrounding the accumulation of debt has been dealt with. I considered looking into civil options for share accountability, but the energy costs were a waste of my focus. You can't get blood from turnip nor water from a stone.

The pay off is slow and steady. There's a concerted effort to not increase the debt by paying off the entire statement balance for any reoccuring regular monthly cards, whilst paying the personal loan which is the payment that currently make the largest reduction in principle for this debt.

There is no way for me to cut or save myself out the situation, but I'm also in no rush. The payoff model I have in excel showed with current circumstances and an inflated rate of 11% monthly interest on all unsecured debt to be between 5-7 years. The addition of the car brought it to 7-10, which sucked. I don't include raises or bonuses in my available capital when creating the plan, but those do go directly to the debts as they come in. I do include COLA projections in regular monthly/annual expense costs such as insurance premiums, utilities, and property taxes. I do hope to have it resolved signficantly sooner, but I like to stay conservative and leave my optimism out of projections.

I have substantial retirement savings, make $50k/year more than you and don't have mortgage or children at home anymore. I was getting letters for debt consolidation when my CC debt spiked during the divorce. I KNEW I could handle the debt in a year and wanted to preserve my tax deferred accounts and chose to aggressively pay it off this year. This is one of my main beefs about FICO as you and I would be considered similar in scoring despite I could pull money from my Roth IRA today and pay off my remainining balance. I'm zero risk. My score is recovering quickly but a huge blind spot in credit score modeling.

I have enough in my retirement accounts to cover 100% of the debt less mortgage. I believe it's sitting at 120-125K. It would stupid to pull, and it's about 25K too short to cover taxes and penalities. But it is there and always a catastrophic option. You are right, it is underfunded for where I am at as I had to reduce contributions to just enough to get the employer match. I do also have ESPP, but it's not currently available to sell. It's something I will be looking at once the funds are accessible as we did get a 15% purchase price discount, so it was always something intended to be sold as soon as possible for immediate gain. In my mind, it's like an employer match--but I have no interest in holding it as you're not supposed to have stock in the company you work for or something to that effect. I also have HSA accounts with "okish" balances under 20K though, and probably a stack of unreimbursed EOBs I could pull. About 13K of the HSA is invested right now though. That is something I attempt to max out every year (and at minimum enough to cover the family max in-network out of pocket) as I watched my mother go through breast cancer, and know all too well about how expected medical issues can put you at significant financial risk. Thankfully I also did her voluntary benefit elections, and the critical illness check reduce a huge burden for her. She's well, in remission, and *finally* retired as she deserves to be for as long she had to work.

I work finance adjencent so the irony of my financial situation is not lost on me either. I was too busy worrying about my employer's books to noticed what was happening to mine.

I think sometimes it's tough in these forums. Most people with debt impulsively got into debt and therefore need to impulsively get out of debt as the risk of the reoccurance is incredibly high for them. Debt in itself has not moral conotations, but the managment of and accountability for debt does. I don't share that impulsive trait-nor do I buy "crap I don't need". I'm a long term planner and had to make short term sacrifices for long term gains a lot in life. The existence of the debt itself sucks, but to randomly adopt an impulsive "pawnshop" mentality because the debt makes me uncomfortable would be a long term mistake.

Like I said, there is no way for me to cut or save my self out of the situation. But what I can do is stay the course, and look for options to reduce costs of the debt interest, and opportunities to increase my available net income.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 17:53:21 GMT

@GratefulGabby wrote:

I think sometimes it's tough in these forums. Most people with debt impulsively got into debt and therefore need to impulsively get out of debt as the risk of the reoccurance is incredibly high for them. Debt in itself has not moral conotations, but the managment of and accountability for debt does. I don't share that impulsive trait-nor do I buy "crap I don't need". I'm a long term planner and had to make short term sacrifices for long term gains a lot in life. The existence of the debt itself sucks, but to randomly adopt an impulsive "pawnshop" mentality because the debt makes me uncomfortable would be a long term mistake.

Like I said, there is no way for me to cut or save my self out of the situation. But what I can do is stay the course, and look for options to reduce costs of the debt interest, and opportunities to increase my available net income.

Selling stuff off is not a pawnship mentality in the least. I had over $7k in stuff I sold off in the last year as I looked around and realized I had stuff I wasn't using. I'm in engineering management but work on cars as a hobby (albeit rather intense hobby) so I have accumulated a lot of tools and tool storage that was not used. I've got more stuff about to go on marketplace and it's nice to clean out the stuff that was unused. Paying off debt is not impulsive, it's realizing the situation you are in and executing a plan.

Like I said in post above, there is no judgement here but trying to give you options. It's very easy to order unnecessary stuff off Amazon etc and my point was to really think, "do I really need this?". If it were me, I'd get out of the CC game and go with a consolidation loan and then focus on hammering down the balance. Being debt free is not impulsive, it's liberating.

PS: My retirement account situation is a bit different as I have both 401k and Roth IRA. I could actually take out the $18.5k left of my CC debt from my Roth IRA penalty free as my pretax contributions far exceed what I'd need to pay off the CC. With a 7-10 year payback, I'd be doing some serious thinking about cashing out the 401k and getting rid of that debt and just max out the 401k to add it back depending on your age.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 19:21:29 GMT

Selling stuff off is not a pawnship mentality in the least. I had over $7k in stuff I sold off in the last year as I looked around and realized I had stuff I wasn't using. I'm in engineering management but work on cars as a hobby (albeit rather intense hobby) so I have accumulated a lot of tools and tool storage that was not used. I've got more stuff about to go on marketplace and it's nice to clean out the stuff that was unused. Paying off debt is not impulsive, it's realizing the situation you are in and executing a plan.

Like I said in post above, there is no judgemet here but trying to give you options. It's very easy to order unnecessary stuff off Amazon etc and my point was to really think, "do I really need this?". If it were me, I'd get out of the CC game and go with a consolidation loan and then focus on hammering down the balance. Being debt free is not impulsive, it's liberating,

I didn't mean the selling stuff - I probably should have elaborated the term "pawn shop mentality". It's a behavior I saw growing up where someone was so desperate for something that they made impulsive decisions that cost them more money in the long run. Like for example, rush decisions in order to "just get out of debt". That's how those predatory debt consolidation companies have a business. The pawn shop part came from a friend or friend's parents pawning their lawnmower or something like that at a loss and eventually having to buy it again at a much higher premium. I watched it with TVs, and computers, and even things like refrigerators.

I will be looking into selling things I have--I just want to make sure they aren't something I may need to buy again as things generally cost more later. But learning how to sell stuff is also something I have to learn how to do.

That's awesome that your hobby is a skill (but an expensive one as I recall from the car guys I grew up with)--it opens doors for you in so many ways, and allows you to make choices (like getting a cheap older car) that could be a risk for someone without that skill. I can fix a lawn mower, but that's about as far as it goes. It does mean I didn't buy a lawnmower either--I was able to get a broken one for free that I fixed. I try to do things like that when the opportunties come up :-)

I do understand that being debt free is liberating--this level of debt is a new experience for me--but mathematically consolidating 100% of the unsecured debt would be a payment that is more than I'm spending now monthly (which I don't have) and at a higher rate than I'm paying now --so would also increase interested paid long term. It's unlikely with the increased interest that I would be able to have it paid off any faster than my current plan projects now. In addition, that would put me in a position where if anything unexpected did come up I'd be in a significantly worse position and the risk of default on all of the debt would be extremely high. It's honestly how a lot of people who consolidate into a payment that exhausts 100% of their available netpay end up still filing for bankruptcy. The fixed payment has no flexibility and with one bad month they can no longer meet their obligations. I have no desire to create that environment for myself, nor do I have options that wouldn't probably be over my current available net pay.

The methods in which many people pay off debt is impulsive--they got into debt by feeding into their instant gratification impulses and so they will always default to *quicker* being better. They don't think about the long term costs, including risks certain decisions create nor cost saving opportunities they may lose. You said you're in engineering management--I know you have to know how short-term choices can have long term financial impacts. There's a trickle down impact to every decision.

In my case there is no way to get out of this debt any quicker than I have planned other than by making more money, and looking at different consumer credit products for options that are more advantageous than the products I already have. Trying to would create increased financial strain, raise my risks, and reduce my options for payoff even further. Just taking the personal loan into account--it's impact on my DTI is what has affected a lot of my options. If mortgage rates were to reduce to lower than my rate today I would still unlikely be able to refi due to its impact to my overall DTI.

I already have a sound plan for eliminating the debt with a fully proved payoff model and an amortization with an end date supported by the model I made. The debt itself does not make me uncomfortable--just mad. Part of the plan encourages (but does not depend on) looking for better vehicles in which to hold the liability and reduce interest/cost accrual. If you saw the date on the personal loan you'd see I've been doing this for a few years now. The timing of everything hitting the fan was in the middle of purchasing my house. It is how I found out about it--when I was pulling all my financials for the lender. Part of me sometimes feels like it was intentional and then the other side of me remembers that they just couldn't see past their own nose. Trust me, I have had a long time to reflect on and reconcile with myself about the situation I'm in.

I know you keep saying no judgement, but you do keep talking to me like I'm the person that created most of the unsecured debt--I am not. I'm just the person who is having to pay it back. What I am responsible for in the creation of the debt is the circumstances that made the debt possible. That one has still taken me a lot longer to reconcile with. I don't know your personal circumstances, but you said you're divorced-- I'm sure you can understand how important is it to be able to rely on a loved one--and then having to come to terms with the realization that you no longer can.

I totally get what you're saying about purchases--luckily before this situation when money was not tight I did buy most of my wants so generally if any "impulsive" purchase wants come up I have a garage full of **bleep** I can go shopping in--which is also where I will be looking to start selling. But you're right, it is too easy nowadays.

The size of the debt and impact it had to my credit profile and DTI has changed my options and I'm not an expert when it comes to what's available. I never expected to need to increase my consumer credit products for anything other than increased cashback/reward options for money I *had* and was already going to spend regardless. Utilization stayed around 7%, and I always had more than enough in net income to cover what I spent--plus 3x in savings for all expenses. I was a credit launder not a credit leverager--until now.

That's why I'm here. I assumed this may be the place to find experts at consumer credit products for people that already knew how to leverage credit and may have a similar credit profile as me and therefore understood the impacts of it on available options.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:11:32 GMT

PS: My retirement account situation is a bit different as I have both 401k and Roth IRA. I could actually take out the $18.5k left of my CC debt from my Roth IRA penalty free as my pretax contributions far exceed what I'd need to pay off the CC. With a 7-10 year payback, I'd be doing some serious thinking about cashing out the 401k and getting rid of that debt and just max out the 401k to add it back depending on your age.

That awesome, and congrats on being only at $18.5K.

I've seriously considered it and it's definitely a "last case" option-probably even after bankruptcy which is also not even a consideration at all for me. Honestly, bankruptcy would probably be a payment higher than I'm paying now with my income and those plans last like 5 years (not that much shorter than the plan I have).

I have 2x 401Ks (need to roll them into one plan, but the management fees for the old one aren't that bad and the market swings lately have had me seriously afraid to touch anything that wasn't down) , Trad IRA (actually considered rolling it back into the ER 401K plan for certain protections and other future things that the trad ira could negatively impact, but I still need to check plan docs on that one)... and then of course a Roth IRA-but the least amount of money is in Roth.

Right now the adjusted interest rate being paid on the unsecured loans combined is around 7-8%. Even lower in you bring in the vehicle loan that is at a 4.49%. A 38% tax plus penality on pulling the funds is financial suicide--and that doesn't even account for the losses over time. And in the *best case scenario* it would take a minimum of 5.5 years to build it back up to its current value. Again, mathematically a huge loss just to "be out of debt" that is currently being managed.

I know 7-10 years sound like a long time, but for me it really doesn't see that long compared to every other option I have and it's also a pretty conservative estimate. Like I said before it doesn't include raises or bonuses. It's one of the more practical estimates without it being a worst case scenario. Underpromise and overdeliver--you know what I'm saying?

I know I said before, I'm finance adjacent--but budgeting and cost planning is one of those things I've been all too familiar with. The one thing I don't have is the department whose job it is to find low cost credit vehicles for the liabilities. :-) Again-that's why I'm here.

It's been hard to have an honest conversation with genuine realistic recommendations that don't turn into "you should be panicking about this debt". Most people in debt like me don't have the financial experience I've been afforded so it's hard to imagine someone actually looked at every option they had to get out of debt. One of those, "they must not know otherwise they wouldn't be here right now". But I can't get good product recommendations without providing the entire picture, and so here we are.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 20:48:46 GMT

@ptatohed wrote:
I know this can be a debatable topic, but what about a HELOC? How much equity do you have?

Yeah I've considered that - even thoug trading unsecured debt for secured debt is kind of a mortal sin. I'd hate to bet the house without absolutely having to.

Right now rates are higher interests than the adjust rate of the balance shuffling, and not a significantly lower payment. Plus it would require almost all of the available equity so that puts me in the even worser rate category.

But it is definitely something I'm watching for sure. There was a CU several months ago that offered a pretty decent rate that I should have qualified for (I believe it was the one have my car loan through them), but I didn't have enough equity to cover the whole thing. It was like a 2 year draw and a 5 year pay off the get the most advantageous rate.

If you do see anything feel free to send it my way. Willing to consider if I can find something that covers everything and is around the same payment and an equal to or lower rate as the current personal loan.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:13:57 GMT

How you got to where you are with the CC matters not to me only to make sure moving forward you don't end up in the same spot.

When I read your query it rang very similar to mine so a "what would I do" is real world. In my case I knew I'd quickly pay it down. During the divorce I was in cash crunch to satisfy lawyer as well as my ex to get terms agreed upon to my advantage. That required use of credit while my ex enjoyed the cash. So I can say, "I've been there".

My engineering brain and reply to you is more about problem solving.

If my repayment was going to be a five to ten year journey, I'd get exhausted doing the CC balance transfer dance and I'd just take the retirement account hit. That way, if you get refi options and rates drop you also enjoy lower house payment and more money for savings/retirement. It's not impulsive to clear debt at all.

You know yourself better than anyone and if you are disciplined after paying off the debt from your 401k you'll likely come out ahead. It may not be as true if you are a spender.

I'm mid 50s, maxing out my 401k, maxing out my back door Roth and will still payoff my CC by end of year while still dumping $350 to my Fidelity index funds every month. So I'm not just a hypothetical guy I'm living it myself as we speak.

At a 135k income with that debt load, using 401k to wipe the debt if you'll be disciplined after to fund at a higher rate it's pretty attractive option IMO.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

GratefulGabby — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 22:36:03 GMT

@FICOdawg wrote:
How you got to where you are with the CC matters not to me only to make sure moving forward you don't end up in the same spot.

When I read your query it rang very similar to mine so a "what would I do" is real world. In my case I knew I'd quickly pay it down. During the divorce I was in cash crunch to satisfy lawyer as well as my ex to get terms agreed upon to my advantage. That required use of credit while my ex enjoyed the cash. So I can say, "I've been there".

My engineering brain and reply to you is more about problem solving.

If my repayment was going to be a five to ten year journey, I'd get exhausted doing the CC balance transfer dance and I'd just take the retirement account hit. That way, if you get refi options and rates drop you also enjoy lower house payment and more money for savings/retirement. It's not impulsive to clear debt at all.

You know yourself better than anyone and if you are disciplined after paying off the debt from your 401k you'll likely come out ahead. It may not be as true if you are a spender.

I'm mid 50s, maxing out my 401k, maxing out my back door Roth and will still payoff my CC by end of year while still dumping $350 to my Fidelity index funds every month. So I'm not just a hypothetical guy I'm living it myself as we speak.

At a 135k income with that debt load, using 401k to wipe the debt if you'll be disciplined after to fund at a higher rate it's pretty attractive option IMO.

No and I absolutely caught that. I could tell how you felt about being liberated from your debt insinuated it may not have been a choice you wanted to make. I too know what it feels like to have a balance that evokes resentment and distain for another person.

For me though, I felt like it was important for you to understand where the debt came from as it 100% contributes to financial behavior. I've, again ironically, helped people out of debt (via creating a payoff plan they could follow) and have had to make almost the same exact recommendations you're making but with the added "and close the card because you know you can't be trusted."

I am incredibly exhausted even without the balance shuffling, but for me paying more money and creating unnecessary risk would be a huge regret and out of character for the way I manage finances. I spend a significant of time option and action planning to make sure I have a solid picture of what is going on. It was why the AMEX BT max caught me off guard. I should have caught that and now I have a much shorter time to decide what I'm going to do. I want to make sure it's clear - I'm not at any significant risk if I don't find a card with a higher BT transfer, but it does change my plans and put me in a position where I have to reconsider options quicker than I would like to.

I do think that we don't think we see finances the same. To me, clearing my retirement accounts would be like shuffling the debt with a really bad consolidation offer. Effectively taking a loan from myself for an originiation fee of 38% plus an APR equal to the year over year loss. The breakeven time would be astronomical-and significantly longer than the recover period. I don't think if you saw it that way you'd do it either.

I'm also probably more risk adverse with the kid. I've had to be signifigantly more conservative with career choices and such--much more than I would have liked to have been--and the debt doesn't help there either. He's also a potential expense liability that has to be factored in as "they be doing stuff". Been really fortunate that he's only broken a bone twice...so far. It also is different than the way you think about "being spender". Every dollar you spend is your choice--aside from the position your ex-wife put you in. I still have expenses that could come up that are out of my control. We have different risk factors for sure.

He's something that I have to consider when making so many choices, but he brings so much more ROI than any amount of success in life will ever. He'll also be able to work in a few years, and has unselfishly comitted to contributing to his own expenses and a portion of the basics I am responsible for providing... even though no child should ever have that burden. He was also a latchkey kid so he's already contributed a lot through out the years. Bruh literally just told me that 100% of his future paychecks were going to feed us but he might have a come to jesus when I show him how much the car insurance is gonna be if he wants to drive.

I do see what you're saying though, but I feel like you're looking being out of debt as the primary objective (i.e. the thing I don't really need help solving), which for me it isn't for me--loss reduction is (the thing I do need help solving/brainstorming). When you're thinking about being out of debt as the primary objective, you're not thinking about the long term/total costs.That's one of those things I just can't overlook. 38% origination fee My brain would never let me forget that horrible decision.

I do appreciate your feedback greatly as it's really encouraging me to talk this out--and I've always tried not too as historically it triggered a huge amount of resentment in my heart that distracted me from being practical. It's been incredibly refocusing. Though when you said the thing about your ex "getting to enjoy the cash" I felt a little bit of that fire creep up. The thoughts about them living their best lives can really rev up the anger engines.

When I get out of this cluster****--which I will, just not via my retirement accounts godwilling-- we can talk investments and cars. Honestly, if you did want to take a look at my positions I wouldn't mind at all. LOL. It's not my expertise so I *think* I put them in just in a mix of whatever available low cost index funds, bonds, and intl funds were available in the respective plans, but I honestly haven't checked in a while. There could be some random allocation that I should not have whatsoever. I'm a set it and forget it when it comes to those things, and who knows what I did back then. I just periodically look at the balances and say "hey that's more than it was before and I haven't put any more money into it." and go back to paying my bills.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:10:10 GMT

The "38%" hit is one time. You're going to be paying how much interest over the next 5-10 years? 10-20% each year? Thats going to surpass the onetime 38%. Just repay yourself. Don't take a loan I'd cash out what's needed to pay the debt.

Having that debt has other associated intangibles tied to it like impacting career moves, moving, refinancing your house, credit scores if you'll get any AA. And, youlll be powerless to counter it.

If you had the earning power to muscle the debt away in year or two I'd say stay the course. 7-10 year plan is also risky.

FYI, my aggressive retirement funding is because I want to be done at work at age 62.5 or sooner. I'm long past paying for children's college, weddings etc.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

FICOdawg — Fri, 11 Jul 2025 23:14:14 GMT

Regarding the divorce, it's in the past and zero anger. Divorce laws are really messed up but I managed to escape in a financial way that was palatable and preserved 100% of my retirement account and no alimony.

The annoying part is living like broke college student this year paying off the CC debt I inherited. I know other men who have faired badly after divorce.

Re: Balance Transfer cards - Higher Limit

ptatohed — Sat, 12 Jul 2025 01:16:00 GMT

@GratefulGabby wrote:
@ptatohed wrote:
I know this can be a debatable topic, but what about a HELOC? How much equity do you have?
Yeah I've considered that - even thoug trading unsecured debt for secured debt is kind of a mortal sin. I'd hate to bet the house without absolutely having to.

Right now rates are higher interests than the adjust rate of the balance shuffling, and not a significantly lower payment. Plus it would require almost all of the available equity so that puts me in the even worser rate category.

But it is definitely something I'm watching for sure. There was a CU several months ago that offered a pretty decent rate that I should have qualified for (I believe it was the one have my car loan through them), but I didn't have enough equity to cover the whole thing. It was like a 2 year draw and a 5 year pay off the get the most advantageous rate.

If you do see anything feel free to send it my way. Willing to consider if I can find something that covers everything and is around the same payment and an equal to or lower rate as the current personal loan.

It's up to of course but, since you asked, I'll simply share the HELOC I had in the past. I got mine from Third Federal.

https://www.thirdfederal.com/home-equity

They were Prime minus 1% for me but it looks like Prime minus .5% now. Rates in the 6%s to high 6%s (I think the rate varies based on how much your loan is). For me there were no fees but now that I am looking, based on the loan amount the APY is higher than the APR for some loans so there might be fees. I think there is an annual fee but that is waived if you open another account with them before the HELOC.

Just sharing for your consideration. Good luck.