topic Re: Discover FICO in Understanding FICO® Scoring

Discover FICO

corymcd88 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:37:31 GMT

My FICO with Discover went down for three mounts from 770 to 723. Is Discover using a different FICO version? Now my Walmart and Barclay's score went from 770 to 765 on both for the same time line. When I applied with Avant for a loan they said my score was 723 also. I want to get a Barclay's card but don't know what score I should believe. Has anyone else had this happen to?

Re: Discover FICO

mongstradamus — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:43:24 GMT

@corymcd88 wrote:
My FICO with Discover went down for three mounts from 770 to 723. Is Discover using a different FICO version? Now my Walmart and Barclay's score went from 770 to 765 on both for the same time line. When I applied with Avant for a loan they said my score was 723 also. I want to get a Barclay's card but don't know what score I should believe. Has anyone else had this happen to?

They should be all TU 08 last time i checked thats quite odd i should check my discover walmart and barclays score to see if they differ at all . Also just make sure you check when the fico score was reported , your score can fluctuate a bit depending on when you get your score.

Re: Discover FICO

corymcd88 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:45:45 GMT

@mongstradamus wrote:
@corymcd88 wrote:
My FICO with Discover went down for three mounts from 770 to 723. Is Discover using a different FICO version? Now my Walmart and Barclay's score went from 770 to 765 on both for the same time line. When I applied with Avant for a loan they said my score was 723 also. I want to get a Barclay's card but don't know what score I should believe. Has anyone else had this happen to?
They should be all TU 08 last time i checked thats quite odd i should check my discover walmart and barclays score to see if they differ at all . Also just make sure you check when the fico score was reported , your score can fluctuate a bit depending on when you get your score.

Discover has been like this for three mounts. That is what I thought but after three mounts and still low.

Re: Discover FICO

NRB525 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:47:00 GMT

My Discover always matches the FICO 08 TU I get here on myFICO, so I'd be inclined to believe the Discover provided FICO. I don't have the others to compare to.

This of course raises the question what could make the score go down that much?

Increased utilization?

Did you have any kind of old collection or late that had a Dispute letter covering it up?

Any AU accounts that may be going bad?

Re: Discover FICO

corymcd88 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:57:51 GMT

@NRB525 wrote:
My Discover always matches the FICO 08 TU I get here on myFICO, so I'd be inclined to believe the Discover provided FICO. I don't have the others to compare to.

This of course raises the question what could make the score go down that much?
Increased utilization?
Did you have any kind of old collection or late that had a Dispute letter covering it up?
Any AU accounts that may be going bad?

I checked and did not see anything that would have caused it. My Ulit is 6%.

Re: Discover FICO

NRB525 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:09:11 GMT

@corymcd88 wrote:
@NRB525 wrote:
My Discover always matches the FICO 08 TU I get here on myFICO, so I'd be inclined to believe the Discover provided FICO. I don't have the others to compare to.

This of course raises the question what could make the score go down that much?
Increased utilization?
Did you have any kind of old collection or late that had a Dispute letter covering it up?
Any AU accounts that may be going bad?
I checked and did not see anything that would have caused it. My Ulit is 6%.

Hmmmmm.

Something is causing the change. Might not be obvious, might not be an "alerting event" but there's something there.

To reiterate, no baddies ever in your past at all, ever ever?

No AU accounts?

Re: Discover FICO

corymcd88 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:11:28 GMT

@NRB525 wrote:
@corymcd88 wrote:
@NRB525 wrote:
My Discover always matches the FICO 08 TU I get here on myFICO, so I'd be inclined to believe the Discover provided FICO. I don't have the others to compare to.

This of course raises the question what could make the score go down that much?
Increased utilization?
Did you have any kind of old collection or late that had a Dispute letter covering it up?
Any AU accounts that may be going bad?
I checked and did not see anything that would have caused it. My Ulit is 6%.
Hmmmmm.
Something is causing the change. Might not be obvious, might not be an "alerting event" but there's something there.

To reiterate, no baddies ever in your past at all, ever ever?
No AU accounts?

Old CO and old Coll and at the 6.9 year mark I even called TU. Some AU account but they are fine.

Re: Discover FICO

NRB525 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 18:38:50 GMT

@corymcd88 wrote:
@NRB525 wrote:
@corymcd88 wrote:
@NRB525 wrote:
My Discover always matches the FICO 08 TU I get here on myFICO, so I'd be inclined to believe the Discover provided FICO. I don't have the others to compare to.

This of course raises the question what could make the score go down that much?
Increased utilization?
Did you have any kind of old collection or late that had a Dispute letter covering it up?
Any AU accounts that may be going bad?
I checked and did not see anything that would have caused it. My Ulit is 6%.
Hmmmmm.
Something is causing the change. Might not be obvious, might not be an "alerting event" but there's something there.

To reiterate, no baddies ever in your past at all, ever ever?
No AU accounts?
Old CO and old Coll and at the 6.9 year mark I even called TU. Some AU account but they are fine.

Look closer. These may have reappeared or been refreshed by the collector.

Re: Discover FICO

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 21:17:06 GMT

My last Discover shows 745. Actual TU score at the time - using a fresh pull here - was 816, which is also what was showing on CCT. The difference is that when Discover pulled, TU dished up a cached report that still included the tax lien that disappeared at the end of February. I've been dealing with this issue for several months. I even pulled my report directly from TU recently, and it's clean.

Re: Discover FICO

NRB525 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 21:35:01 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
My last Discover shows 745. Actual TU score at the time - using a fresh pull here - was 816, which is also what was showing on CCT. The difference is that when Discover pulled, TU dished up a cached report that still included the tax lien that disappeared at the end of February. I've been dealing with this issue for several months. I even pulled my report directly from TU recently, and it's clean.

Discover showed 745 in March, or shows 745 now? Discover still has the cached TU report? Seems like it would be updated somehow between then and now.

Re: Discover FICO

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 23:50:38 GMT

@NRB525 wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
My last Discover shows 745. Actual TU score at the time - using a fresh pull here - was 816, which is also what was showing on CCT. The difference is that when Discover pulled, TU dished up a cached report that still included the tax lien that disappeared at the end of February. I've been dealing with this issue for several months. I even pulled my report directly from TU recently, and it's clean.
Discover showed 745 in March, or shows 745 now? Discover still has the cached TU report? Seems like it would be updated somehow between then and now.

Discover shows that now, after showing the score correctly in the high 700's and over 800 for several months.

Re: Discover FICO

barthooper — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 23:58:05 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
My last Discover shows 745. Actual TU score at the time - using a fresh pull here - was 816, which is also what was showing on CCT. The difference is that when Discover pulled, TU dished up a cached report that still included the tax lien that disappeared at the end of February. I've been dealing with this issue for several months. I even pulled my report directly from TU recently, and it's clean.

This makes me wonder if a cached score might be the reason my first statement's Discover FICO is 741 but before on their site it was 782. In the meantime the only change was my new Discover account reporting but given that I have 3 other cards and 8 loans it shouldn't have hit my AAoA that much, and there wasn't a big util change.

Re: Discover FICO

Anonymous — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 00:20:35 GMT

This is the crap I was dealing with when I subscribed here. The yellows are whenever I'd receive an alert. I'd pull a fresh report and get the greens.

Re: Discover FICO

CreditDunce — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 05:42:47 GMT

My last Discover FICO score was within a couple of days of when Barclay SP'd me. The scores were the same. I believe both are still using TU-08. I don't have a Wally card to compare.

Re: Discover FICO

Goldi — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:38:30 GMT

I also have a problem with the discover score. It was the same as walmart and barclay until a couple months ago. I freaked out thinking something bad was added to my report. But after looking closer, there was nothing new. My walmart is 739, barclay is 733 but I suspect it will update soon. And cct is 739. Discover 675. I have 2 old paid charge offs that will drop off aug and sept 2016. I'm just waiting it out. There has been nothing else updated or added to my report. And I have pulled new scores since discover score dropped. It is just the discover score that is off.

Re: Discover FICO

JLK93 — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:18:08 GMT

Walmart, Myfico, Credit Check Total and Barclays Transunion Fico scores are 849. Discover is 834.

Walmart, Myfico, CCT and Barclays Transunion Fico scores have been in the 843-849 range for the last 3 months.

Discover TU Fico scores have been in the 830-834 range for the last 3 months.

Not the same Fico score.

Re: Discover FICO

JLK93 — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:03:28 GMT

@oilcan12 wrote:
Walmart, Myfico, Credit Check Total and Barclays Transunion Fico scores are 849. Discover is 834.

Walmart, Myfico, CCT and Barclays Transunion Fico scores have been in the 843-849 range for the last 3 months.

Discover TU Fico scores have been in the 830-834 range for the last 3 months.

Not the same Fico score.

Up until 3 months ago, the Fico score I received from Discover was TU 08. The last 3 months it is definitely not TU 08, as mentioned in my previous post.

Furthermore, my Discover Fico score does not come close to any of my scores in the Myfico 3 Bureau credit report. In September, there was only 1 day difference between the 3B pull and the Discover pull.

I have no idea what Fico score I'm receiving from Discover the last 3 months, but it is clearly not any of the scores from the Myfico 3B report.

Maybe Discover is now using an older Fico to get a cheaper price. Or, maybe they are experimenting with a newer scoring model. Or, maybe Transunion is sending Discover a Fico score from the wrong scoring model for some of us.

Re: Discover FICO

Thomas_Thumb — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 01:13:48 GMT

From Discover FAQ after logging in to my account 5 minutes ago:

- I got my FICO® Credit Score from somewhere else, why is it different? What's the difference between the FICO® Credit Score and other credit scores?

There are different credit scores available. Some are educational scores such as TransRisk and ExperianPlus, while other scores such as FICO® Scores may be used among other information by lenders when they make their credit decisions. The FICO® Credit Score we provide is the FICO® Score 8, based on information on your TransUnion credit report, and has a score range of 300-850. FICO® Credit Scores as well as other credit scores are based on credit bureau information, and may be different from one credit bureau to the next. When reviewing your credit score, keep in mind that it gives you a general snapshot of your credit report information at a very specific point in time, so take note of the date, the credit bureau and the range for that particular score.

P.S. Discover no longer displays the "dial gauge" graphic - just a score in a box (at least that's what I now see on my screen).

Re: Discover FICO

JLK93 — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 11:05:59 GMT

@oilcan12 wrote:
@oilcan12 wrote:
Walmart, Myfico, Credit Check Total and Barclays Transunion Fico scores are 849. Discover is 834.

Walmart, Myfico, CCT and Barclays Transunion Fico scores have been in the 843-849 range for the last 3 months.

Discover TU Fico scores have been in the 830-834 range for the last 3 months.

Not the same Fico score.
Up until 3 months ago, the Fico score I received from Discover was TU 08. The last 3 months it is definitely not TU 08, as mentioned in my previous post.

Furthermore, my Discover Fico score does not come close to any of my scores in the Myfico 3 Bureau credit report. In September, there was only 1 day difference between the 3B pull and the Discover pull.

I have no idea what Fico score I'm receiving from Discover the last 3 months, but it is clearly not any of the scores from the Myfico 3B report.

Maybe Discover is now using an older Fico to get a cheaper price. Or, maybe they are experimenting with a newer scoring model. Or, maybe Transunion is sending Discover a Fico score from the wrong scoring model for some of us.

Yesterday afternoon, I received an alert from Myfico 3B monitoring. My usually stable TU score dropped from 849 to 932. This was due to an overall balance increase from $7 to $84. Until now, this type of change had absolutely no effect on my 08 score. Large balance changes only effect my Fico 8 score by a few points.

So now, all of the sudden, my TU score from Myfico matches the Fico score I've been getting from Discover for the last 3 months.

I pulled a new report from CCT yesterday and the TU Fico score was 846. It did not match the 832 in the Myfico TU alert.

I went ahead and purchased a new TU report from Myfico today. My Tu score is now 846. There has been no change in my report since yesterday, when my 832 TU Fico score was in line with my Fico score from Discover.

Clearly there is some experimentation being done with a new scoring model. Or maybe the fact that Discover and Myfico say that it is Fico 8 is more important than all empirical evidence.

Re: Discover FICO

Thomas_Thumb — Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:31:34 GMT

If they state it is Fico 8 in writing - it's Fico 8. These deep pocket companies are not going to misrepresent such a thing and open themselves to lawsuits.

I can only speculate on the score differences you are seeing - best guess is different point in time data sets from TU are being used.