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    <title>topic Re: [Update 9/3] Car loan &amp;amp; installment loan thresholds in Understanding FICO® Scoring</title>
    <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4740199#M113671</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/534281"&gt;@Revelate&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/884935"&gt;@Thomas_Thumb&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Oilcan12 changed his name - can't recall what it is at the moment.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In any case we both have postulated that aggregate B/L thresholds may be set to the "highest ranking" installment loan. In other words if SS and mortgage loans do have different thresholds and both types open, the mortgage B/L thresholds would apply to the aggregate.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I remain of the opinion that loan age has some influence on score and paydown of new loans to under 10% is a quick hit that might be realized at a higher B/L threshold for aged loans. I have a hard time rationalizing that 30 or 15 year loans require paydown to 10% to realize full benefit. Heck, Inverse popped to 850 when his liens were removed and his aggregate B/L was around 65%. He certainly did not appear to be in buffer territory as he was at 845 on one CRA and then went to 850 when an inquiry dropped off.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;As we know some have reported substantial &lt;STRIKE&gt;(25 to 35)&lt;/STRIKE&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;(10 to 15)&lt;/STRONG&gt; point increases when dropping below 70% Ag UT on installment loans but these loans had some age&lt;/FONT&gt;. Can't recall names but one was the poster who purchased jet skis. There was also the data from CAPTOOL which suggests a 70% threshold that was reviewed and referenced in a few prior threads. In contrast SJ reported a couple rather small score increases by dropping his auto loan below 70% but, his loan is only a few months old.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Side Note: Typical 4 to 6 year auto loans, under standard payment terms, would not drop below 70% B/L until after a year's time. Even a 3 year auto loan could be above 70% until one year given initial payments are skewed toward interest vs principal paydown.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Not sure where you are at with your mortgage but some have said 90% could be a milestone.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Ignoring the potential HELOC for the moment I would be just under 95% on my mortgage; if the HELOC is factored (which again I have my doubts) it'd be under 85%. &amp;nbsp;In a month I should be able to tell if the HELOC is factored or not into my installment calculation on EX and as well if 85% is some sort of breakpoint. &amp;nbsp;It is over a year aged now for what it's worth (the mortgage that is).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm a little skeptical of a couple of things and admittedly I haven't paid close attention to the forums so my information might be out of date.&lt;FONT color="#FF0000"&gt; [you were involved in both discussion threads]&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2) Datapoints are of varying degrees of quality, again I would suggest my first post on the installment utilization research thread is gold standard level data, many other datapoints aren't as I tried to illustrate in my long post up above. The overwhelming&amp;nbsp;majority of files on this forum are nowhere near as static as mine was during that time, who really micromanages their reports to try to report identical revolving utilization for several months in a row? &amp;nbsp;Incredibly&amp;nbsp;folks I would submit.&lt;FONT color="#FF0000"&gt; [data points were reviewed by you previously. However, gains were in the 10 to 15 point range - my memory was faulty on point gain. At least I could find the posts again]&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3) How did idea of&amp;nbsp;the highest quality installment tradeline was the one that was scored? &amp;nbsp;I can't even think of a way to really test that frankly other than to have a mortgage just beyond some breakpoint and then going out and buying a car or similar. &amp;nbsp;I will admit that's a neat way to explain my dataset but I'm not certain that conclusion can be drawn and I would suggest Occam's Razor does apply. &amp;nbsp;Or an auto loan similarly and then taking out a secured loan, that would be more easily testable if someone had financial capability to pay the car ahead through a known breakpoint and then take out a few thousand dollar secured loan.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Revelate, you were part of those discussion threads at the time.&amp;nbsp;Here is the link to the one pertaining to CAPTOOL I was a bit off on recalling point gain &lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;(it was 11 points for CAPTOOL. Have not found the other thread yet).&lt;/FONT&gt; I may have been thinking of the points associated with the lower threshold.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4256785#M99832" target="_blank"&gt;http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4256785#M99832&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;CAPTOOL's event sequence viewed in aggregate:&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;(525+4558)/7050 = 72.1% =&amp;gt; (125+4558)/7050 = 66.4% =&amp;gt; 125/2050 = 6.1% (new loan &amp;amp; balance&amp;nbsp;not on CB report yet)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&amp;nbsp;* .......&lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;@.score 712 @ 72%&amp;nbsp;=&amp;gt; score 723 &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;FONT color="#000000"&gt;@&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt; &lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;&lt;FONT color="#000000"&gt;66%, score 722&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT color="#000000"&gt;@&amp;nbsp;@ 66%&amp;nbsp;=&amp;gt; score 741 @ 6%&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;The aggregate view&amp;nbsp;suggests a breakpoint&amp;nbsp;between 72% to 66% (at 70%?)&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;perhaps 2 breakpoints (or one with a larger impact) going from 66% to 6%.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the Masscredit data along with the relevant link.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-heading lia-component-message-header"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-row lia-quilt-row-standard"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column lia-quilt-column-20 lia-quilt-column-left"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column-alley lia-quilt-column-alley-left"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-subject"&gt;Re: Why did I lose 14 points from this?&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column lia-quilt-column-04 lia-quilt-column-right"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column-alley lia-quilt-column-alley-right"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-options"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-menu-navigation-wrapper lia-menu-action message-menu"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-menu-navigation"&gt;&lt;DIV class="dropdown-default-item"&gt;&lt;A title="Show option menu" href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Why-did-I-lose-14-points-from-this/m-p/4664499" target="_blank"&gt;Options&lt;/A&gt;&lt;DIV class="dropdown-positioning"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;P class="lia-message-dates lia-message-post-date lia-component-post-date-last-edited"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="DateTime lia-message-posted-on lia-component-common-widget-date"&gt;&lt;SPAN class="local-date"&gt;‎07-10-2016&lt;/SPAN&gt; &lt;SPAN class="local-time"&gt;01:32 PM&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body lia-component-body"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body-content"&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;My EQ08 score gained 13 points today.&lt;/FONT&gt; &amp;nbsp;No reason was given. Looking at my current report, I see that my auto loan is now reporting a balance of $17,177 (69%). &amp;nbsp;Last month I let all 10 of my cards report balances to see what that would do to my scores (&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Going-to-let-10-10-cards-report-a-balance/td-p/4618666" target="_blank"&gt;http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Going-to-let-10-10-cards-report-a-balance...&lt;/A&gt;). &amp;nbsp;Three Cap 1 cards are now reporting $0.00 and the balance on the forth one dropped by about $700.00. &amp;nbsp;This score only lost a total of 3 points during the test so I don't think the Cap 1 cards are the reason that it changed. &lt;FONT color="#800080"&gt;The only reason that I can see is&amp;nbsp;the current loan balance dropped below 70% of the origional amount&lt;/FONT&gt;. &amp;nbsp;There might be a few more points gained when it reaches the next level.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Overall, I feel better to get my points back.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Why-did-I-lose-14-points-from-this/m-p/4673411#M111835" target="_blank"&gt;http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Why-did-I-lose-14-points-from-this/m-p/4673411#M111835&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Why-did-I-lose-14-points-from-this/m-p/4664480#M111497" target="_blank"&gt;http://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Why-did-I-lose-14-points-from-this/m-p/4664480#M111497&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 15:03:46 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Thomas_Thumb</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-09-06T15:03:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>[Final update 12/11] Car loan &amp; installment loan thresholds</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4564589#M108306</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;As my scores got optimized for the bucket I'm in, I decided to buy a new car, and to pick up a few nice cards before my scores got tanked by the car loan.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 6/5/16, 2:16 PM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt;&amp;nbsp; Car loan, with 87.7% installment utilization, hits my reports.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 7/6/16, 3:15 PM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt; Car loan payments drop overall installment utilization to 79.1%.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 8/2/16, 11:21 AM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt; Car loan payments drop overall installment utilization to 68.8%&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 9/2/16, 10:01 PM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt; Car loan payments drop overall installment utilization to 58.4%&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 10/5/16. 7:58 AM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt;. Down to 39%&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 11/5/16, 5:35 PM&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt;. Down to 9%&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;U&gt;&lt;EM&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Update 12/11/16, 10:25 PM.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/EM&gt;&lt;/U&gt; Paid off auto loan, SSL remains at 7.5%.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2016 03:25:51 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-12-12T03:25:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4564871#M108310</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Congrats.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:13:52 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>surferchris</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-26T00:13:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4565016#M108312</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/143918"&gt;@surferchris&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congrats.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks Chris&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 01:20:29 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-26T01:20:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4565230#M108322</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Other than losing the installment loan benefit of the Alliant reindeer games, isn't going to hurt that badly.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Out of curiosity what are your negatives? &amp;nbsp;Noticed you have a correspondingly much higher FICO 9 set of scores in your signature, my apologies if your profile has (likely) been well documented elsewhere.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 03:19:35 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Revelate</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-26T03:19:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4565266#M108325</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/534281"&gt;@Revelate&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Other than losing the installment loan benefit of the Alliant reindeer games, isn't going to hurt that badly.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Out of curiosity what are your negatives? &amp;nbsp;Noticed you have a correspondingly much higher FICO 9 set of scores in your signature, my apologies if your profile has (likely) been well documented elsewhere.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;The things that seems to get the most criticism from the FICO 8 algorithm are those clustering around the newness of my credit history (average age young, most recent account quite recent, etc) and large number of inquiries, which Tom_Thumb opined are factors receiving significantly less disapprobation in 9 than in 8, and 1 old public record which should fall off later this year, moving me into a 'clean' bucket.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The factors which FICO announced, rental history, small collections, medical collections, are not relevant to my profile as I haven't had any collections or rental history in decades.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2016 03:53:02 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-26T03:53:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573096#M108560</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I will be interested is seeing how your scores change. &amp;nbsp;I am in the garden until September when I will also buy a new car. &amp;nbsp;My scores should be in the mid-seven hundreds by then. &amp;nbsp;I plan to get one new CC(Lowes) at the same time. &amp;nbsp;My current AAoA is only 7 months.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I don't mind taking the temporary hit as I really need a new car and the Lowes card is one I want for when I buy a house next year. &amp;nbsp;I just want to see the hit I will take and the recovery time.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congrats on your new car and cards.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;P.S. &amp;nbsp;My EX score jumped 28 points when I paid my secure loan down under 9%. &amp;nbsp;I hope that isn't the kind of hit I will take with a new loan.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 04:18:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Grafton88</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-01T04:18:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
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      <description>Congrats! I wonder how much they'll drop? Even if so, I'd think they'll rebound within months.</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 11:44:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>RonM21</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-01T11:44:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573290#M108574</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;As my scores got optimized for the bucket I'm in, I decided to buy a new car, and to pick up a few nice cards before my scores got tanked by the car loan.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now I'm firmly in the garden for a long while; I certainly don't need any more credit cards, and I'm just praying I don't get hit with too much adverse action.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm sure my scores will be back down in the 600's within weeks, if not sooner.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;lol (laughing at myself), every few months I make a change (or 3) to my profile which makes me VERY nervous for awhile. &amp;nbsp;Can't sweat it when we play this game. &amp;nbsp; Just keep utilization in check and wait it out. &amp;nbsp; I'm at the point now&amp;nbsp;i'm second guessing closing the cards that are in the plan thinking it may affect&amp;nbsp;some internal score, somewhere.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I bet you don't take much hit at all. &amp;nbsp;My last card actually&amp;nbsp;increased my scores.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Best of Luck &amp;nbsp; :]&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 12:05:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>elim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-01T12:05:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573723#M108599</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;@RM21 wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;Congrats! I wonder how much they'll drop? Even if so, I'd think they'll rebound within months.&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately installment utilization doesn't work that way. &amp;nbsp;Based on my data the drop will equal the gain from crossing both thresholds, I know we can dig out SJ's 9% breakpoint shift, not sure we can for the higher one but mine was explicitly the sum of the two... and yeah, as expected, I didn't recover those points.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Damned mortgage &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 19:45:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573723#M108599</guid>
      <dc:creator>Revelate</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-01T19:45:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573991#M108609</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Well for good or ill I will update here when the auto loan reports.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;According to the FICO 8 Simulator, I should lose 30 points on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2016 01:28:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4573991#M108609</guid>
      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-07T01:28:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4574008#M108610</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am trying to stagger my loan terms. &amp;nbsp;I will still be paying on my personal loan when I get my auto loan. &amp;nbsp;I will still be paying on my auto loan when I get my mortgage. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It will be interesting to see if that helps.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2016 23:29:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4574008#M108610</guid>
      <dc:creator>Grafton88</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-01T23:29:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620404#M110128</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 13:54:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620404#M110128</guid>
      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T13:54:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620799#M110140</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congrats on the new car and thanks for providing this information on your scores.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:05:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620799#M110140</guid>
      <dc:creator>Grafton88</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T19:05:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620802#M110141</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Refresh my memory please&amp;nbsp;do you recall how much you increased on your share secure loan testing assuming they were clean datapoints?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mine were identical moves up and down across breakpoints and at the time my file was rigidly held flat through the mortgage process.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:08:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620802#M110141</guid>
      <dc:creator>Revelate</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T19:08:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620803#M110142</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Congrats &amp;amp; enjoy your new car! &amp;nbsp;&lt;img id="womanvery-happy" class="emoticon emoticon-womanvery-happy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_woman-very-happy.gif" alt="Woman Very Happy" title="Woman Very Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:09:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620803#M110142</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T19:09:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620975#M110153</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/807958"&gt;@Grafton88&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congrats on the new car and thanks for providing this information on your scores.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks, Grafton, much appreciated.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:22:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620975#M110153</guid>
      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T21:22:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620995#M110155</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/534281"&gt;@Revelate&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Refresh my memory please&amp;nbsp;do you recall how much you increased on your share secure loan testing assuming they were clean datapoints?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mine were identical moves up and down across breakpoints and at the time my file was rigidly held flat through the mortgage process.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;I couldn't remember either, had to go back and look. When my share secured loan utilization dropped from 15% to 9% my FICO8 scores picked up&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4528903#M107356" target="_self"&gt;28 points in EX FICO8&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534222#M107477" target="_self"&gt;25 points in TU&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;and &lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534742#M107485" target="_self"&gt;33 points in EQ&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pretty bizarre if you ask me.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It was the difference between having a balance of $77 and a balance of $45.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:36:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620995#M110155</guid>
      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T21:36:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620996#M110156</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;@Anonymous wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congrats &amp;amp; enjoy your new car! &amp;nbsp;&lt;img id="womanvery-happy" class="emoticon emoticon-womanvery-happy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_woman-very-happy.gif" alt="Woman Very Happy" title="Woman Very Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks Sandi &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:35:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4620996#M110156</guid>
      <dc:creator>SouthJamaica</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-01T21:35:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4621614#M110189</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/534281"&gt;@Revelate&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Refresh my memory please&amp;nbsp;do you recall how much you increased on your share secure loan testing assuming they were clean datapoints?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mine were identical moves up and down across breakpoints and at the time my file was rigidly held flat through the mortgage process.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;I couldn't remember either, had to go back and look. When my share secured loan utilization dropped from 15% to 9% my FICO8 scores picked up&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4528903#M107356" target="_self"&gt;28 points in EX FICO8&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534222#M107477" target="_self"&gt;25 points in TU&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;and &lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534742#M107485" target="_self"&gt;33 points in EQ&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pretty bizarre if you ask me.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It was the difference between having a balance of $77 and a balance of $45.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Good point gains...&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2016 04:38:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4621614#M110189</guid>
      <dc:creator>surferchris</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-02T04:38:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: [Updated] My scores peaking, the calm before the storm</title>
      <link>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4621958#M110206</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/534281"&gt;@Revelate&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/875377"&gt;@SouthJamaica&lt;/a&gt; wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;P&gt;At long last, over a month after I did the paperwork for the car loan, the loan hit my EX report.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately the loan had already been partly paid down by the time it hit, so that my overall installment loan utilization was at 87.7% (including my share secured loan) when it hit.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I (a) will never know whether the point drop would have been greater had the loan first reported when it was at 100%, and (b) have not learned whether 90% was a threshold or not. Sorry about that folks.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;EX FICO8 dropped 20 points, from 723 to 703.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The FICO8 simulator had predicted 30 point drops on TU &amp;amp; EX, &amp;amp; 35 points on EQ, but the simulator wasn't counting on my loans being 12.3% paid down by the time the car loan registered, which may or may not have softened the blow.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Next up:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1. see what happens to TU and EQ FICO8's,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2. on 6/18 when 3B comes in see what happens to other FICO scores&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3. then on to 79% &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Refresh my memory please&amp;nbsp;do you recall how much you increased on your share secure loan testing assuming they were clean datapoints?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Mine were identical moves up and down across breakpoints and at the time my file was rigidly held flat through the mortgage process.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;I couldn't remember either, had to go back and look. When my share secured loan utilization dropped from 15% to 9% my FICO8 scores picked up&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4528903#M107356" target="_self"&gt;28 points in EX FICO8&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534222#M107477" target="_self"&gt;25 points in TU&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;and &lt;A href="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Installment-tradeline-utilization-thread/m-p/4534742#M107485" target="_self"&gt;33 points in EQ&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pretty bizarre if you ask me.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It was the difference between having a balance of $77 and a balance of $45.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Incredible swing between percentages no doubt. That is the nature of FICO, bizarre&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Congratulations SJ on the new ride &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://ficoforums.myfico.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2016 13:56:07 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Final-update-12-11-Car-loan-amp-installment-loan-thresholds/m-p/4621958#M110206</guid>
      <dc:creator>CreditMagic7</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-06-02T13:56:07Z</dc:date>
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