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FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

UpAndComing74 — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:18:48 GMT

All,

I hjave to get a mid score of 700 to get my Conventional Loan in January. I was there a few months back but opened up new accounts and inquries and took a dive below. I have went through the ingredients of MyFico model and I need your advice or input on where the point loss lies and if I can expect it to come back up.

The first set is when I was at 701. Although every other score was lower..the mortgage score was higher.

Here I had 1 more negative account indicator. I had more than 1 revolver showing balances. I had 14 inquiries, 10 accounts with balances and 5 accounts opened within the year. All the factors were better with the exception of the 5 accounts opened within the year.

Here is the drop to 699

AZEO, Exceptional on Amount of Debt, Account with Balances down to 6.(3 student Loans, 2 Auto Installments, 1 Revolver), Removed a Negative account indicator, NEW ACCOUNT INCREASE to 6

Am I to assume with all the positive upticks over the two reports.. That 1 more Account opened in Past year will cause only Mortgage Fico to drop. At the turn of the December I will be back down to 5 accounts opened in past year as the 11/2019 account will have aged past a year. Interstingly, I have a report when my Accounts opened within the last year was 7 and midscore was 684. Does accounts within the past year hold that much weight????

@AllZero @Anonymous @AndySoCal

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:31:50 GMT

OP - new accounts are definitely discouraged if you are aiming for a mortgage for at least 1 year. Mortgage scores hate them. 2 years is ideal, but 1 year should be sufficient for scores to climb. They also hate high revolving utilization and that is something easier to fix if you have money and less time to work with, but based on what you shown above, it looks like that is not an option, as your utilization is low. I would steer clear from any more hard inquiries or new accounts until after you get your mortgage.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

SouthJamaica — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:44:48 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:
All,

I hjave to get a mid score of 700 to get my Conventional Loan in January. I was there a few months back but opened up new accounts and inquries and took a dive below. I have went through the ingredients of MyFico model and I need your advice or input on where the point loss lies and if I can expect it to come back up.

The first set is when I was at 701. Although every other score was lower..the mortgage score was higher.

Here I had 1 more negative account indicator. I had more than 1 revolver showing balances. I had 14 inquiries, 10 accounts with balances and 5 accounts opened within the year. All the factors were better with the exception of the 5 accounts opened within the year.
Here is the drop to 699

AZEO, Exceptional on Amount of Debt, Account with Balances down to 6.(3 student Loans, 2 Auto Installments, 1 Revolver), Removed a Negative account indicator, NEW ACCOUNT INCREASE to 6

Am I to assume with all the positive upticks over the two reports.. That 1 more Account opened in Past year will cause only Mortgage Fico to drop. At the turn of the December I will be back down to 5 accounts opened in past year as the 11/2019 account will have aged past a year. Interstingly, I have a report when my Accounts opened within the last year was 7 and midscore was 684. Does accounts within the past year hold that much weight????

@AllZero @Anonymous @AndySoCal

If you stop applying for things, your mortgage scores will creep up.

Whether it will happen by January or not, nobody knows.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

AllZero — Wed, 18 Nov 2020 19:22:38 GMT

Excellent advice as mentioned up thread.

How many open revolvers do you have?

How many are reporting a balance?

You may want to initiate AZEO or get to ~25% or below of revolvers reporting a balance.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

UpAndComing74 — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 01:18:38 GMT

@AllZero wrote:
Excellent advice as mentioned up thread.

How many open revolvers do you have?
I have 12 open revolving accounts

How many are reporting a balance?
1 is reporting a balance(Discover. $17)

You may want to initiate AZEO or get to ~25% or below of revolvers reporting a balance.
Im there but went down to 699 with 3 new accounts opened. Just wondering if when they get to a year old..(Next month) should i get my points back.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

AndySoCal — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:08:23 GMT

@UpAndComing74

As I have stated in other posts there are two ways you can change your middle score. First forget the bureau with the highest score. Of the two bureaus that remain either raise score the bureau that has the middle score or raise the bureau with the lowest score above the bureau with the middle score.

My first focus would be on the first score reason about missing payments and or derogatory indicators there are three accounts. This score factor that is impacting your score the most. Is the reporting of those account(s) incorrect then address the issue with proof to support your point would be preferred. If I was going to start I would look at the account with the most recent missed payment first. The more recent the derogatory information is the more it impacts the score.

The fourth score factor regarding about the length of your revolving credit history is either score factor 12 or 30 in the link below.

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/Score-Factors-Reason-Statements-with-Explanations/m-p/6170420/highlight/true#M179010

The mostly likely score for that score factor is all the recently opened new accounts.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

AllZero — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:35:13 GMT

@UpAndComing74 I overlooked the first post were you stated you are at AZEO. So you are optimized on the utilization.

You mentioned you needed a mid score of 700. The image shows TU4 699. What are your EX2 and EQ5 scores? Based on your other post, are they EX2 729, EQ5 696?

You stated January 2021 is your application date. You will have to look at your reports to see if you can get points back from ageing thresholds:

Hard Pull Inquiries - Depending on the bureau, do you have that are ageing to 365 days on or before your application date?

AoYRA - What is your AoYRA Age of Youngest Revolving Account?

@Anonymous mentioned, you may see score gain when you reach 6 months AoYRA

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

SouthJamaica — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:56:12 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:
@AllZero wrote:
Excellent advice as mentioned up thread.

How many open revolvers do you have?
I have 12 open revolving accounts

How many are reporting a balance?
1 is reporting a balance(Discover. $17)

You may want to initiate AZEO or get to ~25% or below of revolvers reporting a balance.
Im there but went down to 699 with 3 new accounts opened. Just wondering if when they get to a year old..(Next month) should i get my points back.

Then you're in good shape in the AZEO Department

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

UpAndComing74 — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:57:53 GMT

Thank you for your reply!!

@AllZero wrote:
@UpAndComing74 I overlooked the first post were you stated you are at AZEO. So you are optimized on the utilization.

You mentioned you needed a mid score of 700. The image shows TU4 699. What are your EX2 and EQ5 scores? Based on your other post, are they EX2 729, EQ5 696?
Yes. Scores are 696. 699. 729.

Equifax still has a BK on it while the other two bureaus do not. So My goal is to try and attack the TU score and get ONE just ONE point!!

You stated January 2021 is your application date. You will have to look at your reports to see if you can get points back from ageing thresholds:

Yes, 1/102021 is when my BK has been discharged for 4 years and I apply Conventional. The ageing thresholds I see changing are Accounts opened in the last year. Currently at 5, Next month will be at 4. When at 4 in July I was at 701.

Hard Pull Inquiries - Depending on the bureau, do you have that are ageing to 365 days on or before your application date?

Unfortunately. Not 365 days. All Mortgage inquires(Except for 2 credit Card Inquiries within the last 6 months.

AoYRA - What is your AoYRA Age of Youngest Revolving Account?

I have:

Navy Federal opened 7/2020
Apple Card. opened 7/2020
Mercury Credt openeed 6/2020

Is 6 months 12/2020 or 01/2021. Do we count the month of opening?

All open Revolvers...

@Anonymous @AllZero

@Anonymous mentioned, you may see score gain when you reach 6 months AoYRA

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:12:40 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:

AoYRA - What is your AoYRA Age of Youngest Revolving Account?

I have:

Navy Federal opened 7/2020
Apple Card. opened 7/2020
Mercury Credt openeed 6/2020

Is 6 months 12/2020 or 01/2021. Do we count the month of opening?

Jan 1st all the 2 most recent accounts will hit 6 months, meaning then your AoYRA will hit 6 months and you should hopefully see some points then. Stay at AZEO.

While your 3rd account that ages to 6 months on Dec 1st, it is not your youngest account, so you will likely not see points then since your AoYRA will still only be 5 months, points will be rewarded when you hit 6 months.

Maybe @Anonymous has some pointers for you.

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AllZero — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:24:10 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:
Is 6 months 12/2020 or 01/2021. Do we count the month of opening?

Ageing is calculated on the 1st of the month. If you opened a revolving in July 2020. Then you may see a score improvement in January 2021. You do not count the open month.

Besides waiting, as @AndySoCal mentioned, see if there is any derogatory or delinquency you can address. Have you looked into a GW Good Will campaign.

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UpAndComing74 — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:35:05 GMT

GW campaign. I have 3 accounts with late pay. 2 are from 2017 and 2018. i have read that after 24 months the effect is minimal. The most important one is from 01/2020...i GW it...DENIED!!!.... So it appears ive exhausted all avenues except time.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

AllZero — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:49:26 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:
GW campaign. I have 3 accounts with late pay. 2 are from 2017 and 2018. i have read that after 24 months the effect is minimal. The most important one is from 01/2020...i GW it...DENIED!!!.... So it appears ive exhausted all avenues except time.

I would recommend reading The Saturation Technique: Best GW adjustment odds. Not knowing who was the lender, it may take repeated attempts. You got time, now you need postage stamps and patience.

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Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:02:40 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
@UpAndComing74 wrote:

AoYRA - What is your AoYRA Age of Youngest Revolving Account?

I have:

Navy Federal opened 7/2020
Apple Card. opened 7/2020
Mercury Credt openeed 6/2020

Is 6 months 12/2020 or 01/2021. Do we count the month of opening?

Jan 1st all the 2 most recent accounts will hit 6 months, meaning then your AoYRA will hit 6 months and you should hopefully see some points then. Stay at AZEO.

While your 3rd account that ages to 6 months on Dec 1st, it is not your youngest account, so you will likely not see points then since your AoYRA will still only be 5 months, points will be rewarded when you hit 6 months.

Maybe @Anonymous has some pointers for you.

@Anonymous i'm about to hit the sack, so I may have to read it tomorrow, but I read your tag and wanted to point out that AOYRA is only significant at 12 months for version 8 for scorecard reassignment.

The potential points at 3 month increments derive from AOYA, which can also include loan accounts. Tag me again on this thread tomorrow and I'll read it and see if I have any advice if you don't mind, because I'm about to crash.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:24:57 GMT

@UpAndComing74 wrote:
GW campaign. I have 3 accounts with late pay. 2 are from 2017 and 2018. i have read that after 24 months the effect is minimal. The most important one is from 01/2020...i GW it...DENIED!!!.... So it appears ive exhausted all avenues except time.

@UpAndComing74 No after 24 months the impact is more like 50%. I read the thread and you've gotten a lot of great advice. Attacking the lates or letting time run are your main options. Opening all those accounts hurt you. Im sorry.

Re: FICO SCORE SURGEON NEEDED! Gotta Get Mid Score of 700

AllZero — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 07:44:39 GMT

@Anonymous. You should be 😴 sleeping, no?

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Anonymous — Thu, 19 Nov 2020 15:08:35 GMT

Was one of my last posts, lol 😴