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Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:03:30 GMT

Hi, I need major help, I'm in so much dept!!!

Chase $3,286.33

Capitol One $1,655.99

GM/ HSBC $3,879.26

WaMu $3,819.77
State/ Child Support $7,100.00

Grand Total: $19,741.35

I really don't know what to do anymore I'm out of work, feel like a dead beat, and so scared right now.

Its not like I don't want to pay them, and I've been looking day and night for a job and a way to pay but I don't know what to do.

Most of the credit card company's just recently sent me letters stating if I don't depute the money amount owed their going to make a judgment against me. I have know idea how to do that or what to say in the letter to them.

I have no money at all so i don't know if i can even afford to file for bankruptcy.

I only own a car that was given to me, can they take that? Its only a 98 grand prix i don't think it worth much. if they take that I don't know what I'll do as for getting to a job... /cry

Please someone help me...

Thanks,

Jason

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:33:23 GMT

I am really sorry to hear your situation and I know times are tough. I wish I knew how to make it better since even I have suffered. I have been blessed to just barely manage but its harder. I wish I could provide more than just consolation but I figured its better than being indifferent. Good luck.

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:03:27 GMT

very sad to to hear about your problems but think of it this way you're alive. Not sure if it's worth filing BK for $13K "child support excluded". The CC companies will probably get judgments against you and can garnish your wages when you get a job, freeze bank accounts and property. The old clunker is more than likely safe though. Since you have no job now I wouldn't stress it just try to keep yourself up and find a job as soon as you can then file BK to get rid of the cc debt/judgments, wage garnish, bank account freeze "except for child support" and make payment arrangements on the child support and just move on and try to rebuild.

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fishbjc — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:37:25 GMT

Welcome to the forum. I hope you won't take offense, but you need to get those child support arrears taken care of. It's your responsibility to feed and clothe that child you helped create.

I wouldn't worry at all about the credit cards. Try to scrape up enough cash and file bk.

Find three p/t jobs...McDonalds, Server in a Restaurant, Hotel Maid, Snow Shoveller, etc....work on getting that child support paid off and do it pronto.

Good Luck.

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:42:28 GMT

i have to agree with fish about the child support and have to add that it's not fair to make the child suffer.

i feel for you and i hope you get a job but you could try delivering food for now. my DF owns a restaurant and while he's recently had record breaking horrible weeks, his drivers don't do so bad if they are willing to hussle and work hard for it.

i delivered for him a few weekends ago and averaged $20 an hour

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Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:24:39 GMT

If the CCC can sucessfully get a judgement against you, all of your assets are fair game-even your vehicle. In some states, like Georgia, you can file BK without an attorney. Given that you are unemployed and have no income, BK seems to be your only way out. In the meanwhile, take any job you can get! Fast food restaurants are always hiring.

Byrdman, I edited this post because I meant to say that it is unlikely that the CCC will file suit. You are absolutely right that if he is successfully sued, the court will award the judgement. Thanks for catching that error. I never meant to give out faulty information. My most humble apologies.

Message Edited by tonnie39 on 01-14-2009 02:24 PM

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

MidnightVoice — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:18:38 GMT

Have you tried calling the CCCs and explaining the situation and trying to make a payment plan?

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Junejer — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:32:46 GMT

tonnie39 wrote:
It is unlikely that a court will award a judgement against you given that you are unemployed. However, if the CCC can sucessfully get a judgement against you, all of your assets are fair game-even your vehicle. In some states, like Georgia, you can file BK without an attorney. Given that you are unemployed and have no income, BK seems to be your only way out. In the meanwhile, take any job you can get! Fast food restaurants are always hiring.

I can't see how that matters. If you owe, and are sued and lose, a judgment will be issued against you.

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:09:55 GMT

I really have to second, third and fourth the others on the child support.

Not only would it be unfair to the kids to "make them second" to the CC debt, but you'll also find that you CAN be put in jail for contempt of court for non-payment of child support.

Getting a judgment against you for the CC debt will be NOTHING compared to being in jail (worst case) or having your accounts frozen, your pay garnished, or your tax returns offset/seized.

If I had to choose between ticking off a wild, rabid pack of man-eating dog vs ticking off Unky Sam, I'd choose the wild, rabid pack of man-eating dogs. That rabid pack of dogs will have WAY more mercy than Unky Sam will.

That said, I really do feel for you and wish you the best of luck!!

Please keep us posted!!

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WannaHouse — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:24:26 GMT

Go get a pizza/food delivery job and use the tips to pay to file BK. It take a little work, but you can file yourself. Then, let the child support come out of your check. This way, you are taking care of both problems, and you have the daytime to find a good job.

Good luck and hang in there!!

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:29:01 GMT

@fishbjc wrote:
Welcome to the forum. I hope you won't take offense, but you need to get those child support arrears taken care of. It's your responsibility to feed and clothe that child you helped create.

Although I agree with you in theory, I think it is presumptuous for you to criticize or lay guilt on someone for their arrears when you have no idea how they could have come about. I know alot of people who are responsible, loving people who owe alot because someone decided to file for childsupport 14 years after a break up and 8 years after marrying someone else and when the judgment is entered, it is entered for a huge sum in arrears. That doesn't make that person bad or irresponsible as I know they have been paying the mother cash all the years and are getting screwed as a vengeance by the ex nothing more. I am not saying everyone is that way but to make a statement like this without knowing the circumstances is pure and simply wrong and frankly ignorant.

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:50:20 GMT

Jason, sorry for your situation, but you need to know your options right away. Most lawyers will give a free consultation- take a family member or friend with you- take notes, lots of them. You need to face your situation with an open mind- yes, it will be difficult, but you will see the sunshine again soon.

First, you do not mention your living quarters. Do you live on your own? With family? This is when family needs to be aware of your situation. Parents, siblings, cousins, etc. It is tough to move in with family, but that is being done now more than ever. Perhaps they can loan you money to do what lawyer recommends.

Second, keep an open line of communication with everyone-your ex-let her know you are looking for employment, your creditors as well- some may be willing to help you in some way, others may not, but you do not know until you try. The lawyer can advise you as to the best solution here.

Third, You need to search for work right away, as mentioned before, maybe two, three, four, part time jobs for now. Keep a journal of your contacts, names, dates, phone numbers, addresses, whether contact was by phone or in person, then follow up on each one later.

In November, I found a flyer in my paperbox from a neighbor who was laid off from banking industry, he started a new venture doing odd jobs- carpentry, repairs, car washing and waxing, window washing, drive pressure washing, pet walking, attic and basement cleaning, even grocery shopping. I noticed his flyer at a beauty shop and a local restaurant. When my storm door wouldn't close correctly, I called him, he was at my house in under 2 hours, fixed the door in about 10 mins, charged me $10. I thought it was reasonable, door works great, and I have referred him to probably 5 people in the past week. One was a $500 job.

Marketing yourself is very important. Make up some business cards or contact cards on your computer. You can even use the heavy-weight paper instead of the expensive card stock, then just cut out the cards yourself.

JOB ALERT!- The US Census is currently giving the test for workers. The pay is around $11-$15 per hour I have heard. Several people in my town have taken the test in the past week. This is a part time job that can coordinate with other part-time jobs. Google the US Census "your town" for local info in your town.

Check with the temp services in your town, if you haven't already. Sometimes they have jobs for just the day, week, or month. We used a temp service one time to move an office. It was great!

When you do find work, remember, you take as much as possible and pay your child support. Too many times when a spouse is behind on child support, they stop seeing their kids- do not let this happen to you. Your time is very important to your kids, let them know you are having a rough time right now but you still love them.

A Judgement from a CC would be my choice over Jail for not paying child support. Child support is a necessity as far as the kids are concerned.

Good luck! I will keep you in my thoughts!

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Anonymous — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:58:45 GMT

relavent, helpful and understanding. thank you.

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:06:17 GMT

Okay thanks for all your replies!

As for people saying pay the child support its hard when I just went to court and they back dated it. So right off the bat I owed $6,500. And yes I cloth and feed my kid. I know what to do for the child support I owe that's the easy problem get a job! I will have one here in a week hopefully, been going to interviews all day, everyday, applying at night online, and trying to go to school, probably going to get kicked out because I haven't been going a lot do to finding a job.

And, yes I've asked everyone, I know including my family. Lets just say I never have had any help whatsoever from them, beside a roof over my head. I live at home for now, really can't afford to live on my own.

So, I've been searching on this forum and online trying to find the best way to go about solving this credit card dept. 3 of the 4 credit cards already have sent me a letter stating, unless I notify them within 30 days disputing the validly of the dept, there office will assume this is a valid dept. Chase has not been charged off yet but the other 3 credit cards HSBC, Capitol One, and WaMu have been charged off. So the collection agencies that bought the dept from them are stating unless I pay very quickly they will take me to civil court and sue pus attorney fees and interest. I have talked to them all saying I have no money to give them, I really want to but they all want ether $300+ payments or to settle. I can't afford that maybe if it was just one credit card I could plus the child support I owe this would be possible but $300 x4 plus the $400 child support a month that's $1600 a month...

So, my question is this...I read that if I dispute the money they say I owe and ask for a hard copy of my original contract with my signature or recording of me agreeing with the contract, that it might by very hard for them to respond because most credit card companies do not have those records on file? Making them impossible to collect the dept cause it will be past the 30 days and they didn't respond? If so how would I word it? I've seen samples of letters but none were word from word ..and I'm pretty dumb with wording stuff..and I dont want to mess it up.

Also, if they were just bluffing, and I'm asking that also think they are? I pulled my credit report and I see the charge offs but no collection agencies at all on my report. So, if I write these disputes and they werent really going to take me to court will this force them to do that, or piss them off into doing so?

Thanks,

Jason

Message Edited by panto on 01-14-2009 05:45 PM

Message Edited by llecs on 01-14-2009 09:06 PM

Re: Please Help Me!! Over $20,000 In DEPT!!!!

llecs — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:29:26 GMT

panto wrote:
So, my question is this...I read that if I dispute the money they say I owe and ask for a hard copy of my original contract with my signature or recording of me agreeing with the contract, that it might by very hard for them to respond because most credit card companies do not have those records on file? Making them impossible to collect the dept cause it will be past the 30 days and they didn't respond? If so how would I word it? I've seen samples of letters but none were word from word ..and I'm pretty dumb with wording stuff..and I dont want to mess it up.
Also, if they were just bluffing, and I'm asking that also think they are? I pulled my credit report and I see the charge offs but no collection agencies at all on my report. So, if I write these disputes and they werent really going to take me to court will this force them to do that, or piss them off into doing so?

Thanks,
Jason
Message Edited by panto on 01-14-2009 05:45 PM
Message Edited by llecs on 01-14-2009 09:06 PM

You are referring to a DV letter, not a dispute. I personally would not talk to them and would ignore every call and letter that comes to you, with the exception of any judgment or court doc. If you go firing off DV letters to the CAs or respond back to the OCs, you'll wind up putting yourself in a position to be sued. You don't want that. Increase your income (great suggestions so far), stop school (to free up time and/or money) and ignore the calls. Once income comes in, then save up to pay off your smallest debt (CapOne) and when you have the $$$ to PIF, then either send a PFD for deletion for PIF or settlement or call them and negotiate a settlement (not known for helping you). Then repeat for the next and so on. Get a full-time job now with a part-time in the evenings. Heck, a cheap job(s) earning $7/hr at 12 hrs per day would roughly net $1500-$1600/mo. And I know you can do a lot better than that. BTW, check the orange envelope thingy at the top right corner of this page.

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:32:54 GMT

As I said before, I know what you are going through and it is hard. From the outside its easy to pass judgement without walking a mile in someone's shoes but for reasons not quite like yours but not entirely unlike yours, I have been through similar situations in the past, just stay at it and it will pass, it did for me. I know someone else who had that happen to them and that's why said in my earlier post, its easy to pass judgement without knowing that arrears are created very easily when the duration of the trial is considered back pay.

Anyway, as to your idea about disputing the debts and so on, that's a choice you have to make but let me tell you a few things I know for certain. 1. Even if you manage to convince one collector and they get off your back, there is always another who will try again, could be in a matter of weeks or even years later. They bank on the hope that they can get you off guard to miss court and they get default judgement. 2. Even if they don't pursue it with you, they can and often do keep reporting it which hurts you for years to come. Decide carefully, good luck.

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:57:09 GMT

So when should I dv.Does that mean dispute validated? Does that only matter for the first 30 days? Or first 30 days from the summons to court if they do that? Sorry this is new and confusing to me.

I read this from a post

There is some confusion regarding the 'first 30 days' clause of the FDCPA. You can DV the JDB/Collector at ANY time. If you do it in the first 30 days of the initial communucation from the JDB/Collector, they can NOT continue with ANYcollection activities until they validate. After the first 30 days has ellapsed, the JDB/Collector still has to provide the validation, however, they can still call you, etc to try to collect. Regardless of when you ask for the validation, the JDB still has to prove what they say you owe.

They haven't tried to summons me to court, but I'm afraid they will as so they say their going to. If I send a dv to all of them will this do anything? Stop them maybe all together if they can't validate the dept, keep them from suing me, and collecting? Or just piss them off or obligate them to take me to court?

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:46:56 GMT

dv is debt validation. The post you are referencing is by Lonnster "proper dv". In my opinion, his dv letter is right on the mark, You would just have to customize for your own situation.

If you dv the collection agency within the first 30 days of their initial contact with you, they must respond to your dv letter with validation, in other words, they must provide proof that the account is yours with all info you requested. The collection agency must cease any contact or communication with you until they have validated the debt. If you wait until after 30 days of their initial contact with you, they still must validate the debt, however, they can still call, mail, or communicate trying to collect on debt, while processing validation.

Simply stated, they cannot harass you until they validate the debt, IF you send dv letter within the first 30 days of their initial contact with you. If you dv later than 30 days of first contact, they will continue to harass you while they work on validating the debt.

Be aware that you can only dv the CA, you CANNOT dv the OC.

As far as them taking you to court, your guess is probably as good as anyone else's. They want their money, you owe it, and they will take every avenue available to them to get it! There is a lot of posting on these forums of suits brought prior to SOL, usually not prior to 12 months after debt goes south. In this economy, it is anyone's guess. It will cost them court fees to sue, but if they think they can win, they will. I never consider the threat of a lawsuit as a bluff. You can search each CC on these forums to see what other experience myfico users have had with each credit card co.

Back in 2004, I was threatened by Crap One to sue me for account in charge off mode. The first letter just mentioning a lawsuit scared me to death. I borrowed money from a family member and paid it in full, not knowing anything about PFD at that time. If this happened today, I would not be so quick to respond to their threats. Just hearing or reading "lawsuit" makes good, law abiding citizens like us a bit unnerved! Now, I know nothing can happen overnight with the court system.

I recommend you read Tuscani's post "Frequently Requested Threads" on the Understand Fico Scoring Page. Lots of great info is found there.

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Anonymous — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:43:01 GMT

So, lets say I write the DV after the 30 days they first made contact, what will happen if they can't validated it? Nothing? And, after the 30 days since I sent the DV if they don't validate all of it, can they still collect or take me to court?

I might be wrong but this is what I'm understanding and dont understand:

- The first 30 days a collection agencies contacts... If you send a Dispute Validation Letter they have to stop all contact and validate it to collect the dept? If they can not validate the DV they can not collect, and that's the end of it?

- If its after 30 days a CA first contacts...you can still write a DV, but the only difference is they can still contact you trying to collect, including taking you to civil court? After the 30 days since you sent them the DV, if they can not validate it, can they still collect or can take you to civil court, just because the first 30 days is up since they first made contact or it doesn't matter?

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fishbjc — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:01:57 GMT

Sorry Guardian, but this is about the OP..not somebody you *know* , that's irrelevant. I stand by my post. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. If it's on the *books*, it's on the *books* and needs to be taken care of.

Please re-read my post and tell me where I said the word *irresponsible*. If OP doesn't take care of these arrears, he may find himself in jail.