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Banks closing checking accounts holding seizing funds with no recourse - Bank of America the worst

CrSter — Sun, 29 Sep 2024 19:56:45 GMT

Lot of articles about this lately.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/on-your-side-bank-customers-report-unexpected-account-closures/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/business/banks-accounts-close-suddenly.html

https://bestlifeonline.com/how-to-protect-your-bank-account-news/

but be aware that Bank of America is one of the worst at this because of their shoot first - ask no questions attitude. Banks like Wells Fargo will at least allow a thirty day "wind down" period where you'll be allowed to withdraw your funds prior to the final closure date, but Bank of America shutters the checking or savings accounts on a whim, and leaves the funds frozen for weeks even months, until it returns the funds (or seizes them), with no recourse no way to complain, and no contact posssible with the BofA Risk Department that handles the closures.

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Gregory1776 — Mon, 30 Sep 2024 00:13:35 GMT

Bank of america has banks everywhere. id go there and get a check i have food to buy

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CrSter — Mon, 30 Sep 2024 01:07:16 GMT

Yes in theory but the point is once Bank of America decides it wants to close your checking account it freezes the funds no money in or out until BofA decides to release the funds. Accounts could be frozen "pending closure" for weeks or months and going to the branch won't help.

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FicoMike0 — Mon, 30 Sep 2024 01:42:41 GMT

Another thing to worry about! I'm glad I have accounts at several banks.

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TrapLine — Mon, 30 Sep 2024 06:39:29 GMT

@FicoMike0 wrote:
Another thing to worry about! I'm glad I have accounts at several banks.

Haw ... it is just a little time and we will see a cry from behind the vertical bars ... fund my escape for FicoMike8

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MarkintheHV — Tue, 01 Oct 2024 09:02:30 GMT

I am another for for diversify. I dont have more than one credit card at an institution, three checking accounts (2 active and 1 dormant) and three savings accounts, and none of them are at the big banks.

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FicoMike0 — Tue, 01 Oct 2024 14:51:33 GMT

I moved one of my direct deposits to navy. Now I think I'll move the other to penfed. I don't have boa, but I don't trust wells or usb, who I do have, either.

It sounds like cash transactions may trigger this piracy. I only do cash with one bank, I don't keep a lot of money there anyway.

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CrSter — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 02:41:57 GMT

Navy FCU sounds good not just because it is a credit union but because it seems to have more branches across more states than any credit union.

AVOID BofA for sure.

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Anonymous — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:35:17 GMT

@CrSter wrote:
Lot of articles about this lately.

All three of those linked articles are

July 17, 2023
Nov. 5, 2023
Nov 21, 2023

Anything more recent to cite?

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CrSter — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:36:42 GMT

Nothing has gotten better since November. Still the way it is. Wells Fargo at least gives a month's notice and allows a wind down period of aboit a month with full access to funds before the closing date,

Bank of America shutters the accounts and freezes funds pending closure and sometimes seizes funds. There are horror stories about BofA's doing this online.

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Anonymous — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 03:38:08 GMT

@CrSter wrote:
Nothing has gotten better since November. Still the way it is. Wells Fargo at least gives a month's notice and allows a wind down with full access to funds before the closing date,

Bank of America shutters the accounts and freezes funds pending closure and sometimes seizes funds. There are horror stories about BofA's doing this online.

I was just looking online, since we are there. I see year old stories.

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AndySoCal — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 14:08:07 GMT

@CrSter One of the benefits of credit unions is the thier ATM and branch network. Look at any credit union ATM and branch network. With credit unions you can use any credit union atm with no fee. I used a local credit union in California to make a cash deposit to my credit union in Maryland with no fees.

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CrSter — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 14:36:39 GMT

Also there is a long history going back many years of complaints about the way BofA handles account closures - freezing funds first, closing much later, sometimes seizing funds entirely.

I haven't Googled closely but I don't think there are such complaints posted against credit unions. With CUs don't the funds all technically belong to us? collectively.

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FicoMike0 — Thu, 03 Oct 2024 19:56:16 GMT

Navy's closest branch is about a two hour drive for me, but I only use one physical bank anyway. Id have to enter Hilbert space to get to an amex branch. I think their street address is an imaginary number.

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NoMoreDebt — Sat, 05 Oct 2024 12:07:52 GMT

Diversity is key and not a bad idea to avoid retail banks all together. NFCU is as close to a regular bank as we have and we don't really do as much with them banking wise as we do with Fidelity or Schwab.

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AndySoCal — Sat, 05 Oct 2024 22:50:57 GMT

I agree it it's not a bad idea to have a back up just in case. The main reason for me is a ransom ware attack or an account takeover.

Banking wise we are pretty much creatures of habit. The paychecks are direct deposit and the bills you pay are mostly the same month over month. There are some unique months where you do a wire transfer to an escrow company with the down payment or something similar. These types of things as a rule are not a problem.
A transaction of mine was called into question by US Bank. I written a check long story short somehow someone got it and washed the check. In the memo part was written babysitting. The person who tried to cash the check attempted to cash it at US Bank branch. The word baby sitting did not match my profile for someone that was 60+ years old. Hence the reason the bank branch called me. It was fraud.

The OP states that the bank's risk department was / is involved. The risk team will never provide a response due the fact the information given could be used help the bad folks to keep from getting caught. The account closures are not random and arbitrary.

I work for a financial institution I have heard calls where a relative is trying to impersonate another relative. The intent of the caller is not always a good one.

The bank and its employees must do their due dillegence to prevent the fraudsters from gaining access to customer's account and draining the account(s). The second part of that is the due dillegence is the prevention of fraudsters from using the banks resources to carry out their business.

The reason you only hear of B of A Wells Fargo etc is those banks have in access of one trillion dollars in assets. The largest credit union NFCU has around 180 billion in assets. This does not mean a credit union will not close accounts if need be.

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TrapLine — Sat, 05 Oct 2024 22:22:36 GMT

Great write-up! Lays out what is up in the financial market place.

Of late, a credit union and small bank system in my area were part of some type of hit. Add to that certainly Chase and Fidelity Investments.

Frustrating, we don't know outcomes but as you said, a lid on it may prevent other such attacks (or copy cat).

What's this you did not baby sit ... com'mon we all know you have a brood?

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AndySoCal — Sat, 05 Oct 2024 23:49:53 GMT

@TrapLine As I have posted more than once fraud today is at a very high level. The level of sophistication of the fraud has also increased as well. I am almost to the point where I trust little or nothing from an unknown source. I go through the steps to verify everything. I know one wrong step I could open the perverbial flood gates either personally or job wise. Below is a fictional example of due dillegence. There probably several variations of this, that is true in real life.

Grandma Betty goes to her bank or credit union where she has banked at for several decades. She is well known at the branch. Grandma Betty goes to the teller to make deposit the teller notices the there is an outbound wire transfer pending on the account. This something that this customer has never done. The teller excuses his or herself and talks to the manager. After the deposit is completed the manager takes Grandma Betty to an office where she is asked about the wire transfer. Grandma Betty states that she did make that wire transfer. This was the beginning of an account take over. The appropriate steps were taken to prevent the account takeover. Why was the account take over prevented the teller did the due dillegence.

Now to the "baby sitting" check all my checks I print everything except my signature. After the "washing" of the check the payee and the memo line was in script. The penmanship used was a minimum of 25x better than mine. Also there is no brood with my DNA. I am an uncle yes but not a father thank you.

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CrSter — Sun, 06 Oct 2024 00:41:03 GMT

The articles we read about online are situations where once the press gets involved Bank of America folds and releases the bank account funds to the holder. So obviously there was nothing going on just innocent people getting caught up in overzealous fraud detection algorithmns.

In any case, as I wrote up above, there are ways to sever relationships and then there are ways to sever relationships. Shuttering access, refusing to respond to inquiries, and constantly putting foward into the future a resolution date the way Bank of America does it is more than enough reason to avoid them. Just trying to get the word out there, I have never lost any money to any bank and I would like to keep it that way.

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AndySoCal — Sun, 06 Oct 2024 01:36:00 GMT

@CaSter I will start by saying this please note in my siggy below the personal blacklist and which bank is first in the list.
My initial response is referring to banks and credit unions as a whole. Is any bank or credit union perfect I think not. In my opinion I would never describe anti fraud efforts as over zealous. I hate fraud with a passion. I either talked to or listened to a call where a customer had their life savings drained by a fraudster. I do not know if the bank was able to get the funds back.
Show me article(s) of a bank or credit union being to lax in the response to fraud and I will close my accounts in a heartbeat if I have any with them.. Here is an apparent example please note the example is three years old. Not sure if the case is still in litigation

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/money/wells-fargo-looked-on-as-elderly-customer-loses-450000-to-fraud-says-lawsuit/

As far as Bank of America is concerned my recent encounter with them was in 2008. I was the executor of my mom's trust. So I converted the accounts accordingly by opening two new accounts that were to be linked to avoid any fees. The accounts were not linked. I called Bamk of America customer service for five months to try to get the problem fixed. I closed the accounts and refuse to business with them at all.