topic Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011 in Mortgage Loans

FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

ShanetheMortgageMan — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:52:50 GMT

New email from Jerrold Meyer on the loan awaited FHA loan limits... in Bold is the letter (parentheses are my comments)

NOTICE OF FHA LOAN LIMIT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 2011 THROUGH DECEMBER 31, 2011

This provides notice of the posting of the comprehensive update to the Federal Housing Administration’s (FHA) single-family (this also means condominiums, duplex, triplex, 4-plex, modular & manufactured home) loan limits which are effective on or after October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011 (there are several requirements your FHA loan must meet by September 30 2011 in order to allow to remain under the current FHA loan limits). These limits apply to forward mortgages insured under section 203(b)(2) of the National Housing Act (I suspect it also applies for FHA 203k loans too) and reverse mortgages insured under section 255 (Home Equity Conversion Mortgages (HECM)). A mortgagee letter providing further guidance has been issued August 19, 2011 (that mortgagee letter can be found here, it's a .pdf link)

For Forward Mortgages, the FHA floors (meaning the lowest "maximum FHA loan amount" anywhere in the US) for the period October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011 are $271,050, $347,000, $419,425 and $521,250 for 1-, 2-, 3- and 4-unit dwellings, respectively. The FHA ceilings (meaning the highest "maximum FHA loan amount" anywhere in the US) are $625,500, $800,775, $967,950 and $1,202,925 for 1-, 2-, 3- and 4-unit dwellings, respectively. For all other areas, i.e., those where 115 percent of the median home price for the area is in between the floor and the ceiling, the limit shall be at 115 percent of the median home price. For areas under Section 214 of the National Housing Act (Alaska, Guam, Hawaii and the Virgin Islands), higher ceilings of $938,250, $1,201,150, $1,451,925 and $1,804,375 for 1-, 2-, 3-, and 4-unit dwellings, respectively, apply (so if you are buying in those areas then FHA loan limits are actually higher than in the 48 contiguous states)

For HECMS, the maximum claim amount will remain at $625,500.

As HUD is not updating median prices at this time, there is no appeal period associated with the change of loan limits on October 1, 2011.

For calendar year 2012, HUD does expect to announce proposed maximum mortgage amounts in November 2011 (meaning it could change yet again, and if it does, we'll know this November). Once the principles set forth in the Mortgagee Letter announcing the loan limits that take effect on October 1, 2011, there will be no further declines in any loan limits for 2012, absent a change in authorizing legislation (further declines in the FHA loan limits are not expected for 2012). As all locality specific maximum mortgage amounts are ultimately tied to the so-called national conforming loan limit of 12 USC 1454(a)(2)(C), and that limit may only go up and not go down over time, county-level loan limits under current statutory authority may only go up in the future and not go down.

Complete schedules of FHA mortgage limits for all areas for forward mortgages will be available through the downloadable file links found at https://entp.hud.gov/idapp/html/hicostlook.cfm (the official website to check FHA loan limits at). The website also provides a current look-up tool that will have the capability of finding loan limits for periods in 2011 and 2012. Please read these FHA Maximum Mortgage Limit FAQs: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=faqfha.pdf (this FAQ has a lot of helpful questions/answers, which I'll copy/paste a few key ones below).

End of Jerrold's message.

Important to note, if you are buying a home with an FHA mortgage, and want to stay under the current loan limits, then by September 30, 2011 you will need Credit Approval, this means:

A Direct Endorsement (DE) underwriter has approved the loan (i.e., the lender has received and accepted approval via TOTAL Scorecard, or has manually underwritten the loan) on or before September 30, 2011.
The approval includes the DE underwriter’s review and approval of the appraisal on or before September 30, 2011.
The HUD/VA Addendum to Uniform Residential Loan Application, Form HUD 92900-A, page 3, must be signed and dated by the underwriter on or before September 30, 2011.
The FHA Loan Underwriting and Transmittal Summary, Form HUD-92900-LT must be signed and dated by the underwriter on or before September 30, 2011, for manually underwritten loans.
The Underwriter Approval Date on the Insurance Application Screen in the FHA Connection must be on or before September 30, 2011.
The Appraisal date must be on or before September 30, 2011, and must be effective at loan closing date.
Borrower and terms of the loan must be the same as the borrower and the terms approved on or before September 30, 2011.
The case number has not expired or been cancelled – no assignment or new case numbers permitted.

Other than transactions that meet the bullet points above, there are additional transactions which can exceed the new loan limits, namely:

FHA loans that have closed before October 1st but haven't been insured by HUD yet
FHA-to-FHA refinance transactions

When you are doing an FHA-to-FHA refinance transaction, it must meet the following:

The new mortgage must be a refinance of an existing FHA-insured mortgage.
The maximum loan amount of the new FHA-insured mortgage, including all fees, closing costs, mortgage insurance premiums (MIP), interest, etc., must not exceed the original principal amount of the existing FHA-insured mortgage. Should the maximum loan amount (based on the original principal balance of the existing FHA mortgage) be insufficient to cover allowable interest, MIP, closing costs, fees, etc., the borrower shall provide cash to cover the costs that exceed the allowable maximum loan amount.
The new FHA-insured mortgage may not have a term of more than 12 years in excess of the unexpired term of the existing FHA-insured mortgage. The monthly payment due under the new FHA-insured mortgage is less than that due under the existing FHA-insured mortgage for the month in which the new FHA-insured mortgage is executed.

Questions from the FAQ:

Q. What is the effective date for the new FHA loan limits announced in Mortgagee Letter 11-29?
A. The new FHA loan limits are effective from October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011.

Q. What will FHA do if the current (pre-October) 2011 loan limits are extended?
A. If legislation is enacted to extend the current FHA-insured loan limits, which expire on September 30, 2011, the Department will publish a Mortgagee Letter stating that there will be no change in limits on October 1.

Q. How will I be able to view loan limits for different years?
A. The drop down choices in the Limit Year on the FHA Loan Limit Lookup Website are:

CY2011 will change to January 1, 2011 – September 30, 2011
A new choice will be added for the period of October 1, 2011 – December 31, 2011, and
When the limits adjust in January 2012, the choice will be CY2012.

Areas which have FHA loan limits at $625,500 or above (like the highest cost areas in the continguous US, as well as Hawaii, Alaska, Guam, etc.): http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=11-29mlatch1.pdf (if it doesn't work, copy & paste that into a new browser)

Areas which have FHA loan limits above $271,050 and up to $624,499: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/documents/huddoc?id=11-29mlatch2.pdf (if it doesn't work, copy & paste that into a new browser)

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

Walt_K — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 16:54:34 GMT

Thanks, Shane. It will be interesting to see now what happens with homes priced above $625,500 in the higher priced areas. Will private lenders meet market demands? Will there be downward pricing pressure because financing isn't as available?

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

MBOhio2 — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:25:26 GMT

Shane, this is awesome information, thank you!! I followed the link and for my county, it says that the new limit will be $341,250, see below:

MSA Name

MSA Code

Division

County Name

County
Code

State

One-Family

Two-Family

Three-Family

Four-Family

Median Sale Price

Last Revised

Limit Year

COLUMBUS, OH (MSA)

18140

FRANKLIN

049

$341,250

$436,850

$528,050

$656,250

$255,000

01/01/2009

CY2011

The tricky thing is that our house is currently being built and the guaranteed completion month is January, 2012, but the builder often finishes a month or so early and they have told us we should realistically be prepared to close anytime between mid-December 2011 though January 2012 (of course, right at the cut-off!).

Sooo.... your above post states that these new limits are effective only through December 31, 2011, but can you help me understand when we will know the 2012 limits and, am I reading correctly that the 2012 limits are not expected to be reduced from these new 2011 limits?

THANKS!

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:26:59 GMT

Thanks, Shane!

This sure is going to be painful for some people. The limit in our area is going down ~$150K. I am glad we are in our inspection phase and hoping to close in a few weeks. We'd be in sad shape otherwise. I am thankful to this forum for keeping me on my toes.

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

CS800 — Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:56:24 GMT

Shane, that's great information. Thanks

I see that the limit for one family in my county is still above what I was going to spend

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

MBOhio2 — Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:21:59 GMT

What happenned?! Since Shane originally posted this message, the information for my county changed!! I pasted what showed up before and now it says the following:

MSA Name

MSA Code

Division

County Name

County
Code

State

One-Family

Two-Family

Three-Family

Four-Family

Median Sale Price

Last Revised

Limit Year

COLUMBUS, OH (MSA)

18140

FRANKLIN

049

$310,500

$397,500

$480,450

$597,100

$255,000

Oct 1, 2011 - Dec 31, 2011

NEVERMIND... after looking over it again, it looks like when I first pulled the info, it still showed the current limits and did not yet reflect that lowered amounts that will go into effect on Oct 1.... such a bummer

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

ShanetheMortgageMan — Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:15:39 GMT

Yup you got it, FHA didn't update the #'s on the website until a couple days later.

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

MBOhio2 — Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:32:17 GMT

Shane - are there any creative ways to deal with needing a loan that is above the FHA limits (in our case, it's only about 15K)? I just read an article online that was explaining the possibility of mixing a conforming loan with a non-conforming loan. This possibility was mentioned for areas where the FHA limits are coming down $100-200K and causing real issues, but still, I'm wondering if any lenders out there are getting creative or if there are any options.

My husband and I really don't want to take such a huge, unexpected additional chunk out of our savings and we just don't think we'll qualify for conventional financing.

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

ShanetheMortgageMan — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 05:47:01 GMT

Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac loan programs still go up to a $417k loan amount, and just need a 3% down payment (with a 720 FICO score) or a 5% down payment (with a 680 FICO score) - Fannie & Freddie are conforming loan programs, which is a type of conventional mortgage. Non-conforming loans are also a type of conventional financing. Combining an FHA mortgage with a down payment assistance program/2nd mortgage would be one way you could still keep your down payment to a minimum but still get a total combined loan amount above the FHA loan limit.

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

CS800 — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:14:30 GMT

@ShanetheMortgageMan wrote:
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac loan programs still go up to a $417k loan amount, and just need a 3% down payment (with a 720 FICO score) or a 5% down payment (with a 680 FICO score) - Fannie & Freddie are conforming loan programs, which is a type of conventional mortgage. Non-conforming loans are also a type of conventional financing. Combining an FHA mortgage with a down payment assistance program/2nd mortgage would be one way you could still keep your down payment to a minimum but still get a total combined loan amount above the FHA loan limit.

Shane, this will be a conventional loan?

So 3% down if your FICO (is that middle score) is 720

And 5% down if your FICO is 680

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

ShanetheMortgageMan — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:00:45 GMT

Correct.

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

MBOhio2 — Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:29:43 GMT

I understand that the current limits are only effective until December 31, 2011. Everything that I'm currently states that as of January 1, 2012, the limits could either stay the same or they could "change" again. However, nothing I'm reading indicates if we should anticipate them going down more or back up. Has anyone heard anything about HOW the limits would change if they do change... up or down?

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

MBOhio2 — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 15:57:41 GMT

Has anyone heard anything about what will happen to the limits in 2012?? We're only 30 days from then now!!

Re: FHA loan limits announced for October 1, 2011 through December 31, 2011

Walt_K — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:07:32 GMT

All loan limits for FHA were restored to their previous levels through 2013. They did not restore for Fannie and Freddie though.