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Hi. I went on an app spree a few months ago and picked up a few new cards. I'm replacing my subprime cards with better cards and paying them all off. Anyway, I applied for the Sony card (or playstation, whichever) just to see if I could get it. Capital One sent me a rejection saying that I had too many inquiries. Has recon worked for anyone? Yes, I do have a bunch of inquiries right now but I also don't have any late payments with Capital One in over 10 years or anyone else in at least 4 years. I read somewhere that Cap 1 is not doing recons and it is all automated now. True?
Thanks for your help!
Thanks for the response. My util with them is high right now because I'm paying off other cards. 2 months ago my overall utilization was really high but now its down to 50% and by the end of the month, it'll be 30%. Capital One has the highest balance, so I'm paying them last but they could see that in my credit score over the last 6 months if they wanted to figure it out. So, no recon?
@Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the response. My util with them is high right now because I'm paying off other cards. 2 months ago my overall utilization was really high but now its down to 50% and by the end of the month, it'll be 30%. Capital One has the highest balance, so I'm paying them last but they could see that in my credit score over the last 6 months if they wanted to figure it out. So, no recon?
No recon.
Don't apply for new cards or CLIs when you report high utilization especially with a bank -- typically the bank sees you as a risk if you don't have a nice long history of paying down high balances already.
In addition, you say you had lates as recently as 4 years ago? What are the dates of those lates, and are they on your credit reports? If so, how late were they reported (30D, 60D, etc)? I would suggest working on goodwill adjustments on those versus apping for new cards. Depending on how late they are, you may be considered a much higher risk for new accounts with delinquencies and chargeoffs rising to high levels nationally again.
I'll have to write an article to throw into my signature link on what "too many inquiries" means. Federal law mandates that lenders give you a reason when they deny you. It doesn't mandate they give you the real reason.
Lenders buy FICO scores because FICO provides generic "reason codes" why a score is lower than it can be. Those reason codes abide federal mandates on giving people reasons for denial. So lender looks at your credit report AND your internal history, doesn't like what they see, then they pay FICO to spew out a reason for denying you. The most common one is "too many inquiries" but that's not reality. It's just legal.
In the "Credit News" forum I just posted a link that shows that Capital One had a chargeoff/deliquency rate in November of 5% of accounts. 1 in 20 Capital One accounts are delinquent. This is a huge number. They're tightening their belts. In the upcoming credit crunch I envision happening, carrying high utilization (even for 0% interest) is going to be a red flag, so I'd highly suggest working on that ASAP and then trying again after your statements report and show low utilization. You'll have better luck.
Lastly...I'm not a fan of people quoting "overall utilization" because it's a bullspit number compared to actual accounts with HIGH utilization. Do you have any cards reporting over 68.9% individually, and if so, what is the utilization on those high util cards (individually)? This matters just as much because some folks play games with overall utilization by getting store cards and sock drawer cards to try to "hide" some rough utilization on a card or two. FICO does look at individual utilization, and it can hurt you in how lenders rate you internally for an app or CLI request! They may approve you on FICO score, but then see some card or cards at 90% and say "nope, no way, this guy is maxed out" and deny you and tell you "too many inquiries" lol.
Great advice! Thanks.
I am using all of my cards in some way or another. 3 of my cards have 0 balance as of late. I paid a card a few days late because I forgot about it. It's not reporting at all since I paid it off and closed it. Creditwise and Credit Karma report my on time payments as 99% and 100%. Cap 1 and one other are high because I paid minimums while paying off others. I expect to be at less than 10% util by March across the board, which will only be capital one. I'll be in the garden probably all of next year.
@Anonymous wrote:Great advice! Thanks.
I am using all of my cards in some way or another. 3 of my cards have 0 balance as of late. I paid a card a few days late because I forgot about it. It's not reporting at all since I paid it off and closed it. Creditwise and Credit Karma report my on time payments as 99% and 100%. Cap 1 and one other are high because I paid minimums while paying off others. I expect to be at less than 10% util by March across the board, which will only be capital one. I'll be in the garden probably all of next year.
Gotcha.
Be aware that Capital One is one of the lenders out there that actually has told people "no" to CLIs because their payments are too low. Generally speaking, and this is just conjecture and opinion based on data others have shared, I suggest trying to avoid just minimum payments if you can afford it. If you can't afford it, try to calculate what your personal ceiling will be on a Capital One card in the future.
Capital One likes to see well more than the minimum -- I believe many folks feel like 3X the minimum is what they want to see internally to flag you as a "good customer". Right now, making the minimum payment on a high utilization card probably has them seeing you as risky to very risky. They're thinking "what will they do if their income stops?"
So get on that utilization when you can afford it, then don't use Capital One credit cards if you can't make 3X the minimum payment AT LEAST in the future, and if you do that for a year you'll be looked at as a less risky borrower.
Apping while you're showing very very high risk (which you are) means higher likelihood of a decline.
I doubt you'll need to garden a whole year unless you want to. Get your overall utilization under 8.9%, and get all individual cards under 28.9% and don't show balances on more than 1 out of 3 cards and your FICO scores will thank you and you'll start getting preapprovals and outright approvals again.
It appears you have 8 credit cards? If so, FICO wants you to report balances on LESS than 1 out of 3. So 8/3 = 2.6666 cards, so round down to 2. For maximum FICO scoring, you wannt to show balances on only 1 or 2 cards, and preferably under 8.9% utilization on each card individually, but definitely under 28.9% utilization on each card (small FICO ding going from say 5% -> 10% because that's over 8.9%).
Wipe "10%" from your brain. 10% is negative. UNDER 8.9% is positive (remember that interest posting may push you over 8.9% so make sure you're under 8.9% even with interest posting).
^ This. I have a $4200 limit with them and now I can't get another CLI to save my soul it seems. Reason given: too many recent inquiries. Number of inquiries: 3. That they had to give you *a* reason but not *the* reason is something that many people are not going to ever think about. I'm not sure why we still expect banks to be upfront with us. I have a Quicksilver card and a QS1 that I'm trying to merge into one QS product, have been with them for almost 3 years, never missed a payment, never had a payment rejected. I recently opened up a Spark card to get a TL reporting for my business (D&B) but only got $500 and will not come up to save my soul.
What am I missing?
Thanks for the info, ABCD2199 -- spot-on as always.