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So I applied to the PenFed Pathfinder and, much to my surprise, I was denied the card. The reason was because of "Utilization of accounts, number of accounts, and/or occurrence of a derogatory event." However, I have no derogatory events. I only have two other accounts (Capital One and Barclays). I'm not sure how I would be misusing these accounts? I tried calling PenFed for more info, but the person who answered was about as helpful as a wet cinderblock.
I inquire about this issue here not only to vent my frustration with PenFed, but I am curious as to what else I should be looking into when applying for CCs. I don't want to have a hard pull on my line only to get denied. The only thing I can think of is that I have a low income (I am a grad student and make less than $30k/year). However, I believe I should still qualify for having the at least the lowest line, which is $5k (one of my cards has $3.9k). I am fortunate enough to have no debt, and I have never made a late payment.
So, is there something else I'm missing? Do I literally have to wait until I'm not a grad student before I can start using the CCs I am interested in? Not sure it's worth pointing out, but my Equifax score that was given the HP actually read a credit score of 769, which was unexpectedly higher than my score on Credit Karma of 750. (Although now due to the hard pull, it is lower than 750..) Should I be alarmed in any way that my Equifax score and my Credit Karma score are apparently not aligned?
Another aspect of this issue worth pointing out is that several weeks ago, someone was able to hack into my Capital One info (which is weird because I rarely use the card and never carry it around with me anyway). I was able to cancel it right away (a couple hours after the purchase), get the ~$100 that was stolen refunded, and get issued a new card, no problem. However, I did not think this incident would have affected my odds of getting approved? Or does it?
Also-- I did recently open a new checking account, which did a hard pull. Since it wasn't a new CC, I didn't think it would affect my chances for approval. However, if it does, I would be happy to know for the future.
Thank you in advance!
@Anonymous wrote:So I applied to the PenFed Pathfinder and, much to my surprise, I was denied the card. The reason was because of "Utilization of accounts, number of accounts, and/or occurrence of a derogatory event." However, I have no derogatory events. I only have two other accounts (Capital One and Barclays). I'm not sure how I would be misusing these accounts? I tried calling PenFed for more info, but the person who answered was about as helpful as a wet cinderblock.
What is your current individual and aggregate utilization %? Is it high?
Number of accounts, perhaps your file is too thin?
I'm not sure of derogatory events. Have you gone over your credit reports in detail?
I prefer wet cinderblock over dry cinderblock. Dry cinderblock lack humor and...well...moistness.
I inquire about this issue here not only to vent my frustration with PenFed, but I am curious as to what else I should be looking into when applying for CCs. I don't want to have a hard pull on my line only to get denied. The only thing I can think of is that I have a low income (I am a grad student and make less than $30k/year). However, I believe I should still qualify for having the at least the lowest line, which is $5k (one of my cards has $3.9k). I am fortunate enough to have no debt, and I have never made a late payment.You have a decent score and no debt. What about rent, mortgage, etc?
Credit Unions do look at your income and DTI Debt To Income %. Have you done the calculation?
So, is there something else I'm missing? Do I literally have to wait until I'm not a grad student before I can start using the CCs I am interested in? Not sure it's worth pointing out, but my Equifax score that was given the HP actually read a credit score of 769, which was unexpectedly higher than my score on Credit Karma of 750. (Although now due to the hard pull, it is lower than 750..) Should I be alarmed in any way that my Equifax score and my Credit Karma score are apparently not aligned?As mentioned up thread, Credit Karma scores are not relevant. CK is a great tool for credit report monitoring. PenFed pulled your EQ FICO 9 score. You can find your 3 bureau FICO 8 scores at creditchecktotal.com (part of Experian) for $1. Cancel in 7 days or less to avoid the re-occurring charge. Different lenders use different FICO scores to gauge your credit worthiness. No reason to be alarmed. You just have to be prepared before applying for credit, knowing who pulls what.
Another aspect of this issue worth pointing out is that several weeks ago, someone was able to hack into my Capital One info (which is weird because I rarely use the card and never carry it around with me anyway). I was able to cancel it right away (a couple hours after the purchase), get the ~$100 that was stolen refunded, and get issued a new card, no problem. However, I did not think this incident would have affected my odds of getting approved? Or does it?
Also-- I did recently open a new checking account, which did a hard pull. Since it wasn't a new CC, I didn't think it would affect my chances for approval. However, if it does, I would be happy to know for the future.
You'll be able to find out what bureau said bank/CU pulled when you get your credit report. PenFed did not cite inquiries as a reason for denial when they pulled your EQ report. I think you're safe there.
Thank you in advance!
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You might be receiving an email survey from PenFed. You can respond to it. Ask for a reconsideration. Plead your case and hopefully you will be pleasantly surprised.
Thank you all for the help. As for a recon, is there any downside in doing this? Will there be another hard pull with the potential of being denied again?
Also, I have not received a survey yet. Should I wait until I get an email regarding that to submit a recon request? Or, should I just send a letter to the address at https://www.penfed.org/loan-application-reconsideration? I assume the first option with the survey would be preferable, since the letter option doesn't have any application form to fill out?
(The average age of my two accounts is just under 2 years, so perhaps that was another ding to my potential for an account.)
Another thing I should mention is that I have not opened up a Savings account with PenFed, yet for the Pathfinder, I know that you need one. I assumed I would have been approved for the card first and then be asked to open an account. However, is it possible that perhaps I was denied because I did not have a Savings account beforehand?
Is there any downside to doing a recon letter? For instance, will my credit line get a hard pull again?
The main case I can see for recon is if I specify that I'm a grad student in the letter or survey or whatever. In the actual application, I put that I'm employed, so maybe that part had a negative impact? (I've always thought of grad school as a weird limbo between a real-world job and an academic student life, but I never anticipated that not being able to distinguish such on a CC application might affect the outcome.)
Thanks again,
Reason codes can be tricky. When you app is rejected it just usually populates with whatever reason codes is affecting your score.
First thing was utilization. When you applied what was the last reported balance? Tip for the future, before you apply for anything pay your cards down before you app. Since you only have two cards I would pay one to zero before app'ing, but don't just pay them down. Pay them down and wait for the balances to report to the credit bureaus.
Second reason given is tricky. According to you it was "number of accounts, and/or occurrence of a derogatory event." They are not saying you have derogatory event. Remember the "and/or". It's your number of accounts. You only have two cards. The Pathdinder is harder to get than others. I believe the "Promise" card is easier to get,
my advice is forget Penfed. Your file is too thin.
Go to the American Express site and try the prequalification link. You should qualify for a few cards.
Next try Discover.
Chill out with those two cards for a year then you can look to expand. Good luck.